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  • Yes Claying removes all the wax or sealant leaving the paint bare.

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  • No Claying does not remove wax or sealant

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  • Clay removes some wax or sealant but only where bonded contaminates were cleaned.

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  • Depends on the type of clay used

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    Re: Does Claying Really Remove Wax?

    Quote Originally Posted by CieraSL View Post
    "There are two different grades of clay currently available to the public. One is a medium grade detailing clay designed to clean the vehicle once or twice a year. This grade of clay removes wax along with anything else on the vehicle. (non-quote: this would probably be like Meguiar's Professional Detailing Clay - Mild)
    Your other option is a fine grade that’s relatively new to the industry....it's a favorite of enthusiasts who prefer to clay as often as needed to keep that slick finish. This detailing clay removes everything the medium clay removes and it is gentle enough to use monthly or as needed for spot cleaning. (non-quote: this is probably like the clay in the Smooth Surface Clay kit)
    Why can't you use the Mild Clay as often. I realize that the Aggresive will haze and Micro-mar the finish but shouldn't the Mild be safe to use monthly, daily, hourly, etc.
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    Re: Does Claying Really Remove Wax?

    Well now, this thread sure has me questioning my usage of medium clay to remove bug pieces while on the road.


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    Re: Does Claying Really Remove Wax?

    Regarding regular use of the C2000 Mild Detailing Clay - while it should be just fine for regular use, most people don't want to spend almost $30 on clay alone, plus if you're claying regularly the amount of bonded contaminants should be very light anyway, so the consumer clay should be sufficient to remove it. But if you prefer the blue mild C2000 clay there shouldn't be any problems using it regularly. Is it removing more wax than the consumer clay? Ah, the $64,000 question! When is the last time you waxed - how much wax do you really have left on the car anyway? If you're getting a lot of contaminants bonding to the paint, you're either exposing the car to a lot of crud and/or not waxing and maintaining the finish as often as you might. Of course there are always those unforeseen circumstances like parking downwind from a building being spray painted, but in that case you need some serious claying anyway.

    For those of you doing IPA wipe down tests and still seeing a lot of beading, try washing the car with even a quality car wash soap after the wipe down. We mentioned this little test in post #25 of this thread, so at the risk of repetition: We did a small wax comparison test here last year where we sectioned a hood into 4 areas, with one being a "control" area. We use Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner to remove any wax that may have been on the surface, applied 3 different waxes but left the 4th section bare. A couple of weeks later, even after going through a couple days of light rain, all 4 sections of the hood beaded water when the car was first rinsed down. Certainly the section treated only with DC1 was not "protected" but the water would still bead. Two weeks later!!! Following a wash with Gold Class the DC1 section no longer beaded - the water just laid there in a sheet. Obviously something that was removed in the wash process altered the surface tension, eliminating the beading properties. Lots of different ways to "clean" a surface, huh?
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    Re: Does Claying Really Remove Wax?

    I didnt know the claybar would remove wax. in the past I've been using dawn dish soap if I needed to remove wax

    is claying a better idea? I usually end up claying anyway so if it does it all in 1 shot might as well forget using damn from now on lol

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    Red face Re: Does Claying Really Remove Wax?

    How much wax is removed when claying may well be partially a function of how well the wax was applied. If the surface was clean when the wax was applied and if a glaze was used to maximize adherence of the wax, the clay bar might not remove much wax at all since it seems that clay's benefit is to remove irregularities in the surface.

    It is probably logical to assume that whether claying removes wax is situational.

    Here's two things I'm going to do the next time I have an opportunity to clay my ride: 1) I'll use fresh clay and go over a clean waxed surface to see if there's any change in the color of the clay; 2) I'll just clay part of the surface and compare the beading of the two areas.

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    Re: Does Claying Really Remove Wax?

    My experience is that clay will remove some, maybe even most, of the wax or sealant. I'd suggest the correct term might be compromise. Clay will compromise any wax or sealant coating. I would not assume that it will remove all of the wax or sealant. As clay is mostly gliding across your paint on a thin layer of lubricant, sheering off things that are sticking out above the surface, it will remove some of the wax or sealant but most likely not all. If you want to be sure that it is all removed I'd use a paint cleaner.

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    Re: Does Claying Really Remove Wax?

    Quote Originally Posted by Houckster View Post
    Here's two things I'm going to do the next time I have an opportunity to clay my ride: 1) I'll use fresh clay and go over a clean waxed surface to see if there's any change in the color of the clay; 2) I'll just clay part of the surface and compare the beading of the two areas.
    It is unlikely that you'll see any change in color of the clay due to wax being removed from the surface. As for point 2, what are you going to use as a clay lube? Virtually any quick detail spray is going to leave enough of something behind that there will be a change of surface tension relative to fully bare paint, and that alone will likely cause water beading. Remember, beading alone is not a sign of protection. You can use a basic cleaner/polish to effectively remove any wax or sealant on the surface but it you'll still bead water like crazy, at least for a while.
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    Re: Does Claying Really Remove Wax?

    imho claying does not remove wax because I've given many cars some serious claying for hours and gone to machine correction and the wax is hindering the products
    That's why I use a neutralisation system and silicone removers before I start correcting and polishing or non abrasive paint restoration

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    Re: Does Claying Really Remove Wax?

    ok i sorry to bring this thread back form the dead but i have a question. I got done detailing my car yesterday, did the wash, paint cleaner, polish, and wax process. But know i can feel some spot on my car's paint need to be clay. So the question is after i clay my car do i have to polish the part that i just clay again and then apply wax or just apply wax after clay. Thank you in advance

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    Re: Does Claying Really Remove Wax?

    Will detailer’s clay remove the applied paint film surface protection?

    It will remove an organic wax product; any oxidized polymer will be removed; but not any polymer that has formed a molecular bond with the paint surface

    See also - Article on Detailer’s Automotive Clay - http://tinyurl.com/yfly44e
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