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    Re: I wish we had a Meguiar's chemist

    In all seriousness, it is understandable as to why there's no Meguiar's chemists posting on MOL. I believe most chemists are contracted to spend most of their working hours researching, developing, and testing products from their own company, as well as products of the competitors. You can imagine how much work that involves.

    If the chemists are asked by Meguiar's to post on MOL, they would have to be compensated for that. After all, contributing to the company's resources (in this case MOL) takes away their own personal time. To avoid paying extras to the chemists, Meguiar's is better off by asking their chemists to stay off MOL. I may be wrong, but contracted scientists in different fields are only responsible for the R&D aspect of products. They are never involved in the marketing aspect of a business unless they are getting paid for their contribution. In accounting, costs of running a community forum such as MOL always falls into marketing/advertising expenses on the financial statements. In substance, MOL is an advertising tool of Meguiar's. This analysis may be a little far fetched for a relatively small corporation like Meguiar's. But that is how the industry works.

    The above is also the reason why we never saw Viagra chemists being spokespersons for the products.

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    Re: I wish we had a Meguiar's chemist

    Just to clarify....We don't contract out our chemists....They are all employees within our own R & D Department

    That said, maybe we can put together a "live chat" with our R & D Staff ??

    That may be the best of both worlds, since they are very busy with R & D responsibilities.

    Let me see what we can come up with, but don't don't hold us to it
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    Re: I wish we had a Meguiar's chemist

    Quote Originally Posted by akimel View Post
    Yipee!

    Would you mind elaborating on this please. I have read that carnauba waxes adhere to the paint surface in the way that candle wax, for example, might adhere to one's finger but that synthetic waxes actually effect a molecular bond with the paint itself. Is this accurate? (See, e.g., this explanation. I do not know if the author's analysis is sound.)
    Al,

    Note that this is just my professional opinion based on 21 yrs in the chemical/plastics/fibers industry. I would always defer to a Megs chemist for the final word but here's my 2 cents. togwt is pretty much on target but I'll attempt to provide a less verbose response...

    100% Carnauba will bond like candle wax to paint but note that in order to get the carnauba to flow and haze you need to dissolve it in petroleum distillates (VOC's) or something else which will dilute the wax and hopefully add some chemical bonding ability. Consequently, something touted as a pure wax is a blend of wax and solvent. When the solvent evaporates, the wax hazes.

    A synthetic could and hopefully should be formulated as a mixture that would have a greater propensity to chemically bond to paint (think hydrogen bonding, ionic bonding, etc) resulting in a longer lasting product. Hope this helps.

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    Re: I wish we had a Meguiar's chemist

    So the reason why we have different types of wax is from the balance between solvents and wax?
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    Re: I wish we had a Meguiar's chemist

    Quote Originally Posted by sleepy View Post
    So the reason why we have different types of wax is from the balance between solvents and wax?
    In addition to the ratio of wax to solvent, there are different types of waxes and solvents. Plus, there are other ingredients such as silicone, other polymers and, in the case of cleaner waxes with mechanical abrasives, probably TiO2 and/or some form of clay.

    Here's a random example: IIRC M16 is a heavy wax meaning high molecular weight and hard. It has a high concentration of strong organic solvents to dissolve the harder wax making it an issue here in the US as far as volatile organic compounds (VOCs) are concerned. Since it is a hard wax, it mechanically bonds well and lasts a long time which, in addition to its appearance (due to the type of wax used), is why people like it so much. Candle wax is very soft and would not last long.

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    Re: I wish we had a Meguiar's chemist

    Here's a random example: IIRC M16 is a heavy wax meaning high molecular weight and hard. It has a high concentration of strong organic solvents to dissolve the harder wax making it an issue here in the US as far as volatile organic compounds (VOCs) are concerned. Since it is a hard wax, it mechanically bonds well and lasts a long time which, in addition to its appearance (due to the type of wax used), is why people like it so much. Candle wax is very soft and would not last long.


    I appriciate the response Sandstone. So, what kind of organic and VOC compounds would car wax have?
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    Re: I wish we had a Meguiar's chemist

    If your curious, dig up an MSDS sheet which will show a chemical abstract # (CAS #) under something like "petroleum distillates" in the composition section. Then look up the CAS # to id the solvent. If you don't have a chemical background the info will be fairly meaningless. There are many compounds that fall under the proprietary umbrella and are thus not disclosed. Wax dissolves in petroleum distillates such a mineral spirits and paint thinner. There are a bazillion solvents and most are a blend and not a pure compound. None of this really matters...just use what you like and what works for you.

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    Re: I wish we had a Meguiar's chemist

    Sandstone, my understanding is that pure synthetic sealants bond to the paint differently than do carnauba-style waxes. Can you confirm this, and if this is true, can you explain, in layman's terms, the difference. Thanks!

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    Re: I wish we had a Meguiar's chemist

    Hello, Al.

    I am curious as to why you are particularly interested in knowing how waxes are bonded to paint surfaces. Would obtaining such knowledge enhance our polishing/waxing techniques? Keep me in the loop; I am very interested to know what you have up your sleeves that may enhance our performance in detailing.

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    Re: I wish we had a Meguiar's chemist

    Quote Originally Posted by the_invisible View Post
    Hello, Al.

    I am curious as to why you are particularly interested in knowing how waxes are bonded to paint surfaces. Would obtaining such knowledge enhance our polishing/waxing techniques? Keep me in the loop; I am very interested to know what you have up your sleeves that may enhance our performance in detailing.
    Actually, I don't think knowing how different waxes bond will affect my detailing performance at all. I'm just curious.
    Swirls hide in the black molecular depths, only waiting for the right time to emerge and destroy your sanity.
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