How-to Wash your car with a Rinse-less Wash System [video]

[Markus Kleis]

Re: How-to Wash your car with a Rinse-less Wash System [video]

I've used Last Touch as a rinseless washing technique for awhile now, but I have to say I don't like it.

For some reason, the car just doesn't look as clean as it should. It might be a mental thing, but I notice when I use ONR, the car looks cleaner.

I think it has something to do with ONR having "cleaning agents" that lifts up dirt on the pores of the paint. While LT was meant to be a beautifying product that leaves a shiny finish on a lightly dusty or already clean car.

Don't get me wrong, if Mark has been using it with good results then it probably does work.

It's just IME, LT isn't all that great for rinseless washing.

Have you done a side-by-side comparison at the same time?

I tried it on my red Focus and my black Fiesta and couldn't see a difference. The only differences I noticed were: A.) I prefer the smell of Last Touch greatly over ONR, and B.) Last Touch felt slicker and ironically appeared to have a great "polymer protection" effect than the ONR did. I've seen videos of others using ONR and describing the way the water moves after use as due to polymers from the ONR, but I get more of that movement from Last Touch...

[Caress Detailing]

Re: How-to Wash your car with a Rinse-less Wash System [video]

that's something I was gonna ask.
This is how ONR works:
"The polymers in No Rinse have reactive groups that bond and trap dirt particles making the dirt particles virtually non-abrasive. They also bond to oily particles and emulsify them into water. The latter is equivalent to the cleaning action from soaps which also work by emulsifying oil particles into water. However, with soap there is no interaction with dirt. This is why adding No Rinse to a regular wash also helps protect the paint from dirt particles."

How does LT compare?

That's exactly my point. I don't think LT has that cleaning action that ONR does. So even if the surface appears clean after using LT, it's not really clean or at least to my eyes.

[Markus Kleis]

Re: How-to Wash your car with a Rinse-less Wash System [video]

That's exactly my point. I don't think LT has that cleaning action that ONR does. So even if the surface appears clean after using LT, it's not really clean or at least to my eyes.

Aside from the fact that Last Touch had the highest rating for lubricity, I decided to try it because it had always worked very well for me when doing product removal (dried polish or compound, old white dried wax) and full wipe-downs in a pinch (Ie bird droppings at a car show). I found that Last Touch was incredibly effective at softening things up and making them wipe right away.

That quality is what made me feel it might be a good candidate for a rinse-less wash product. That's interesting it hasn't worked out for you... I can't say I've noticed that myself. Does it leave a haze? What exactly looks wrong?

[ninobrn99]

Re: How-to Wash your car with a Rinse-less Wash System [video]

I want to make the switch because it's cost effective, but it has to have equal performance. Ill find someone local to me who can give me a sample so I can do a side by side and see for myself

[Caress Detailing]

Re: How-to Wash your car with a Rinse-less Wash System [video]

Have you done a side-by-side comparison at the same time?

I tried it on my red Focus and my black Fiesta and couldn't see a difference. The only differences I noticed were: A.) I prefer the smell of Last Touch greatly over ONR, and B.) Last Touch felt slicker and ironically appeared to have a great "polymer protection" effect than the ONR did. I've seen videos of others using ONR and describing the way the water moves after use as due to polymers from the ONR, but I get more of that movement from Last Touch...

I actually should try that next time. A side by side comparison.

Like I said, it might just be a "mental" thing and my head is just telling me it's not working the same. At least perhaps the description of the products is what's making me believe ONR works better.

Sorry if my posts seem intrusive. I will test and return here. I'm probably just overthinking it too much lol

[Caress Detailing]

Re: How-to Wash your car with a Rinse-less Wash System [video]

Aside from the fact that Last Touch had the highest rating for lubricity, I decided to try it because it had always worked very well for me when doing product removal (dried polish or compound, old white dried wax) and full wipe-downs in a pinch (Ie bird droppings at a car show). I found that Last Touch was incredibly effective at softening things up and making them wipe right away.

That quality is what made me feel it might be a good candidate for a rinse-less wash product. That's interesting it hasn't worked out for you... I can't say I've noticed that myself. Does it leave a haze? What exactly looks wrong?

I agree that LT is a quality product. It does have very high lubricity out of any detail spray i've used. I use it exclusively on my wrx because of the finish it leaves on the car.

But hold that thought, I'm going to do a comparison and put to rest my imaginations if one works better than the other (or work the same) and come back here with pics.

[Markus Kleis]

Re: How-to Wash your car with a Rinse-less Wash System [video]

I actually should try that next time. A side by side comparison.

Like I said, it might just be a "mental" thing and my head is just telling me it's not working the same. At least perhaps the description of the products is what's making me believe ONR works better.

Very possible. Marketing can be a powerful force...

Sorry if my posts seem intrusive. I will test and return here. I'm probably just overthinking it too much lol

Not at all! I definitely appreciate the discussion because if there is an issue with this method I would want to know so we can see if there is a solution rather than ignoring it.

Please keep us updated!

[Michael Stoops]

Re: How-to Wash your car with a Rinse-less Wash System [video]

Doing comparison tests is always a great idea, but please keep in mind that ONR was designed with one specific thought in mind - to be a no rinse wash. Last Touch most definitely was NOT. Truly equal results should not be expected, and due to the nature of ONR it most likely can be used on a considerably dirtier surface than LT - it was formulated to do so!

That doesn't mean that LT, used as Mark has shown, can't be a viable alternative in the proper context.

[ZoranC]

Re: How-to Wash your car with a Rinse-less Wash System [video]

I am concerned that general YouTube watching public might believe this is Meguiar's endorsed official method thanks to starting video with Meguiar's logo, title 'Detailing How To' over it and Meguiar's logo, and thanks to being shot at Meguiar's headquarters by MOL mod with Meguiar's logo prominent in the background.

Mike Pennington invited me to do this, and actually was the one that filmed it. I'm pretty sure Meguiar's is ok with it

I do not know does that constitute _official_ endorsement of the method by Meguiar's that one could hang their coat on in the case somebody ends up claiming it did not work as advertised and resulted in damage to their paint, with all consenquences that implies (responsibility for damage, damage to reputation of Meguiar's, MOL, and individuals, etc), or not, but it is good to know. Thank you for the clarification!

Not sure what you just said, but to be clear, it is not an official recommendation. The video was not produced by, thought up by, or directed by Meguiar's.

You will notice I use the language "I" in the video, not Meguiar's.

I simply used the nice facilities at Meguiar's headquarters to film it.

I simply said that IMHO general public will not notice attempt of _I_ fine print being sneaked past by them while their attention is being distracted by big bold shiny "Meguiar's" lettering and logo.

I simply said that IMHO one of MOL mods using nice facilities at Meguiar's headquarters to shoot the video that prominently display's Meguiar's logo next to words "How To" by the invitation and with assistance (in his own words) of Meguiar's employee is instead, IMHO, highly likely to make general public believe this is official Meguiar's video and method, with everything that implies, especially if one states "I'm pretty sure Meguiar's is ok with it".

[Markus Kleis]

Re: How-to Wash your car with a Rinse-less Wash System [video]

I simply said that IMHO general public will not notice attempt of _I_ fine print being sneaked past by them while their attention is being distracted by big bold shiny "Meguiar's" lettering and logo.

I simply said that IMHO one of MOL mods using nice facilities at Meguiar's headquarters to shoot the video that prominently display's Meguiar's logo next to words "How To" by the invitation and with assistance (in his own words) of Meguiar's employee is instead, IMHO, highly likely to make general public believe this is official Meguiar's video and method, with everything that implies, especially if one states "I'm pretty sure Meguiar's is ok with it".

Noted, and thanks for the clarification.

[HealthyCivic]

Re: How-to Wash your car with a Rinse-less Wash System [video]

ZoranC, maybe you missed this:

Great video Mark, very nicely done.

Guys, while this may not be a fully recommended procedure in the sense that Meguiar's does not market Last Touch as a rinseless wash product, when used as Mark has shown it can do an excellent job.

Obviously a process such as this is not for everyone, and obviously the car being demo'd on was not caked with month old dirt. But those of you facing heavy water restrictions, or in colder climates that can only get so much grunge off with a pressure washer in the dead of winter, this process should be strongly considered as a means to a cleaner car.

If Mark has been testing this process for many months on several different vehicles with minimal marring, you should take his word for it. The man is pretty darn good at what he does!

[HCAD]

Re: How-to Wash your car with a Rinse-less Wash System [video]

Great video Mark. I'm a new convert to ONR as of this year and I'm not sure if I've done a traditional car wash (w/hose) since. It's terrific information that I can use Last Touch as a similar replacement when needed. Again, thanks.

[Jossy92]

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I know a lot of members have asked about MEGS coming up with an rinse-less product. Until that happens thank you for sharing your system. So nice to have suggestions based on experience.

Thank you for clearly indicating that Last Touch is not a rinse-less product. At least now I can wash with ONR using your system. Especially starting on the uppermost/cleanest areas and using the recommended towels and m/f mitt.

I am regularly using your system , but am going to wait until megs comes up with a designated product or designates Last Touch, but, only to ensure compatibility in terms of not removing wax. Hope the vids keep coming. New blood means new ideas and everything that comes with it.

[ZoranC]

Re: How-to Wash your car with a Rinse-less Wash System [video]

ZoranC, maybe you missed this:

Great video Mark, very nicely done.

Guys, while this may not be a fully recommended procedure in the sense that Meguiar's does not market Last Touch as a rinseless wash product, when used as Mark has shown it can do an excellent job.

Obviously a process such as this is not for everyone, and obviously the car being demo'd on was not caked with month old dirt. But those of you facing heavy water restrictions, or in colder climates that can only get so much grunge off with a pressure washer in the dead of winter, this process should be strongly considered as a means to a cleaner car.

If Mark has been testing this process for many months on several different vehicles with minimal marring, you should take his word for it. The man is pretty darn good at what he does!

No, _I_ did not miss it nor do _I_ need it. But IMHO general YouTube viewing public, ones that will watch video there and do not come over here, will miss it even though they are the ones that need it as they are the ones that are about to try it not knowing enough.

[HealthyCivic]

Re: How-to Wash your car with a Rinse-less Wash System [video]

Hey Mark,

I'm looking at possibly using this system on a regular basis. One question I have is does the LT work well with the ENTIRE car including windows, plastic, chrome, headlights, etc...? I always thought of LT as strictly a paint product but wasn't sure.

Second question I have is, what do you do with your dirty mitt afterwards to clean it? Toss it in the washer? Any other tips for someone who is serious about actually doing this (on a Honda Civic)? Thanks.