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  • Well yeah, but is it worth doing on a white car?

    That was the question posed on the Chrysler Crossfire forum during a discussion about detailing in general, and achieving a high gloss finish in general.

    Well of course it's worth doing on a white car!! And there happened to be a white Crossfire local to us here at Meguiar's so the owner was invited down for a little "buff & learn" day. Past experience says the paint on these cars is hard as nails - diamond coated nails at that! Especially when severely swirled, this paint just begs for M105 rotary applied with a W5000 Double Sided Wool pad. Aggressive? You bet, but the finish is fairly amazing as the combination on this paint leaves a virtually hologram free finish. Very surprising, but this isn't the first Crossfire we've seen react this way. Whatever paint they used on these cars in the Karmann factory in Osnabruck, Germany, it was pretty crazy stuff.

    Here's the car when it rolled up to Meguiar's Garage around 9:45AM yesterday morning:





    Now that doesn't look too bad at first glance, does it? But out in the sun it looked like this:



    But that picture, of a rear quarter panel, doesn't tell the full tale. The hood was a disaster:





    It not only looked bad, it felt fairly awful as well, so our first step was to quickly clay the car. This came off half the roof, which is a pretty small panel on a two seater!



    Since past experience indicated this was most likely going to be a rotary job, and since we had very limited time to work on this car, we started taping off in anticipation of a full rotary process - the fender strakes and other areas were subsequently taped off before proceeding.



    M105 was definitely going to be called to duty, but a decision still needed to made regarding pad choice. We started with the WWHC7 Wool Heavy Cutting Pad from the So1o line...





    A half and half comparison showed this wasn't quite going to do it....



    .... so out came the W5000 Double Sided Wool Pad.....



    .... and that was much more like it. So that was our plan, with the car owner following behind with a G110, M205 Ultra Finishing Polish and W9207 Soft Buff 2.0 Finishing Pad. He worked that combination slowly for a fairly long period of time to reveal a high clarity, high gloss finish.

    Along the way we discovered some scuff marks on the front bumper that we figured were going to present a real challenge, given the hardness of this paint. Fortunately the car owner mentioned that the front bumper had been repainted so we took a shot at the G110, W8207 Soft Buff 2.0 Polishing Pad and the M105 we were already using.

    Scuffs....



    .... no scuffs. That was easy!



    Up against the clock, we busted this out in 3 hours of buffing. Yep, just 3 hours, which means we couldn't get it perfect, but the owner was thrilled and amazed at how different, and how good, his Crossfire looked in such a short period of time!










    OK, so where are the "after" shots in direct sunlight to show the true difference?





    Well, they're right here, of course!


    This is the hood......



    .... and here's that quarter panel.



    No, it isn't perfect, flawless or ready for Pebble Beach. But the car is 5.5 years old, has over 60,000 miles on it, and nothing has ever been done except the rare clay and wax job. If we'd had more than 3 hours of buffing time we certainly could have done a lot more - we've got some light streaking here from a very short wax drying time prior to removal as well. Hey, when we're up against the clock, we're up against the clock!!

    We might get a chance to finesse the car a bit later on, but we think this answers the question pretty well - "Is it worth doing on a white car?"



    Heck yeah!
    Michael Stoops
    Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

    Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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    Re: Well yeah, but is it worth doing on a white car?

    Nice work on the Crossfire, Mike

    While it may not be 100% perfect, I am pretty sure it is pretty darn close.

    I only enjoy working on white paint if its realy neglected and has a "dirty white" look to it. You know what I mean?

    again, awesome job in such a short time.
    Nick
    Tucker's Detailing Services
    815-954-0773
    2012 Ford Transit Connect

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    • #3
      Re: Well yeah, but is it worth doing on a white car?

      Great work in such little time.
      That is tough paint.

      Havn't seen any over here,but really cool looking car. White suits that car really well.


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      • #4
        Re: Well yeah, but is it worth doing on a white car?

        Michael, those wheels really make that car. Awesome job in 3 hours. It was nearly glowing inside the garage!!

        Colin
        A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.

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        • #5
          Re: Well yeah, but is it worth doing on a white car?

          Nice job, man!!! I, too, have a white car that also needs some attention. All I did to it were claying and sealing with M26. I think I only polished it once in its life with SwirlX, which had no effect on the clear coat. :P

          Hmmm... you look a little lonely there without a class:





          In the picture above, would you be concerned about the raised edges and creases when using the rotary?

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          • #6
            Re: Well yeah, but is it worth doing on a white car?

            Great job Mike!!
            Fast but wonderful results when you have the process dialed up

            Not perfect but amazing improvement and appearance

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            • #7
              Re: Well yeah, but is it worth doing on a white car?

              Nice job Mike. Is that the SRT-6?
              Jesse

              2009-2014 Meguiar's/Car Crazy SEMA Team
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              • #8
                Re: Well yeah, but is it worth doing on a white car?

                3 hours is a short time indeed. But the results were very good indeed. I like that Crossfire. Maybe wheels got something to do with it. *LOL*
                Learning new things everyday

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                • #9
                  Re: Well yeah, but is it worth doing on a white car?

                  MAMAMIA......at the master touch....every flaws comes into perfection

                  Thanks for taking time & share with us, your immense experience enrich us, I really wish i can be there to witness & to join your classes...The GURU of detailing...

                  Thank you sir
                  it only takes a little patience and plenty of PASSION!!

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                  http://thedetailers.blogspot.com

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                  • #10
                    Re: Well yeah, but is it worth doing on a white car?

                    The crossfire looks great. I am sure the owner was thrilled. The paint was popping. Great work, Mike.
                    quality creates its own demand

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                    • #11
                      Re: Well yeah, but is it worth doing on a white car?

                      One thing that amazes me about M105 and M205 is the fact that you work them FASTER to get better results. Prior to these products I would have been impossible to get any type of viable correction done in 3 hours with out the use of heavy fillers.

                      Great job Mike!!!
                      Let's make all of the cars shiny!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Well yeah, but is it worth doing on a white car?

                        Originally posted by the_invisible View Post

                        Hmmm... you look a little lonely there without a class:



                        In the picture above, would you be concerned about the raised edges and creases when using the rotary?
                        There may have only been one student, the car owner, so in a way it was still a class. As for the grooves in the hood and the raised spine down the center of the vehicle, it really wasn't a problem as the spacing is just about perfect for the pad size - almost as if it were designed with detailing in mind. Now, with a foam cutting pad things might have been different around that center spine but a wool pad didn't present any real issues. The hard edge of a foam cutting pad can do serious damage in the blink of an eye. You know how when you're concentrating on an area that you're working on and really scrutinizing things as you go - sometimes you lose sight of your "back stroke" so to speak, and that pad can just lightly touch a bit of trim, tail light lens or body crease and before you know it the damage is done.

                        Originally posted by Hemin8r View Post
                        Nice job Mike. Is that the SRT-6?
                        Nope, it's a 2004 Limited. The SRT6 has the large fixed wing on the rear deck, this one has the automatically deployable/retractable wing.

                        Originally posted by TH0001 View Post
                        One thing that amazes me about M105 and M205 is the fact that you work them FASTER to get better results. Prior to these products I would have been impossible to get any type of viable correction done in 3 hours with out the use of heavy fillers.
                        Yes, these two products are just a joy to use. It still amazes even us here at Meguiar's that we can cut like this and still finish out so well even with just M105. But M205 as a follow up is just beautiful. We had great fun working on this car and the owner became super comfortable with the G110, which ultimately was the real goal here - de-swirling the car was just the by product of the lesson. He's now ready and able to maintain this revitalized finish on his own.


                        And thanks for the kind words everyone, but this really was a team effort.
                        Michael Stoops
                        Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                        Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Well yeah, but is it worth doing on a white car?

                          Nice work.......You want to knock out a silver Viper in 3 hours? it needs it bad....
                          SRT-10 Silver

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                          • #14
                            Re: Well yeah, but is it worth doing on a white car?

                            Originally posted by Newport Viper View Post
                            Nice work.......You want to knock out a silver Viper in 3 hours? it needs it bad....
                            How is that possible Dave??? Your car is one that we always cite as an example of just how incredible a silver car can look.
                            Michael Stoops
                            Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                            Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Well yeah, but is it worth doing on a white car?

                              Great job on that Crossfire!!

                              I need to get me some of those SOLO pads.....

                              I like M105/M205!!! Great stuff!

                              Good show
                              Philippians 2:14 - Do all things without grumbling or questioning,

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