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    Be prepared to cringe:

    I used the wool pad and backing plate that came with the $35 rotary to apply some M105 to my 'rents Saturn. I have never used a rotary before. I used it near full speed and took a considerable amount of clear coat off. I did not start with a less aggressive method.

    All that said, it came out absolutely wonderful. I absolutely would not recommend someone with no rotary experience do what I did; I have been reading/learning about the rotary for a long time now and wanted to try my hand on a horribly trashed surface that really wouldn't matter if it was damaged. My parents didn't even really care if I burned through clear coat even after I explained the ins and outs of it. I knew that a less agressive method just wouldn't fix the problems this surface had: the most horrendous swirls I have every seen, bad RIDS and general dullness.

    (After a nice wash) I taped off the windshield, side panel and front of the boot. I clayed it with the Mother's Clay kit and gave it a final wipe down with QD followed by distilled water. I began prepping by prepping the Harbor Freight wool pad with a sprits of QD and a bit of M105. I buffed the surface for a short amount of time on moderate speed, slowly increasing the speed until I was near full blast. I wiped off surface and inspected it, one more quick pass with the M105 on the wool and I was done with the rotary.

    After wiping the surface down again I looked at what was to be expected: holograms galore. I prepped a W8207 pad with a spray of QD and some M105. I compounded away at speed 6 on my G110 until the holograms were nearly non-existant. I finished up with some M205 on a W9207 pad at speed 5. Two coats of M16 and I was done. The depth, clarity and wetness that the surface is getting now is dazzling. Anyone with working vision can see how distinct the difference is.

    Keep in mind, I taped the trunk lid down the middle to showcase my detailing skills; I've done the same down the hood. Half of my Saturn's trunk lid and hood is corrected while the other half is riddled with bad swirls and RIDS. Anyone who notices this gets a business card, I'll probably also bring it with me to a couple of car meets.

    So there you have it, no burned clear coat, no melted plastics and no irreparable buffer trails. I would consider my first rotary use a success, lets just hope I can better cultivate and hone my skills so that I can feel comfortable using a rotary on customers' cars (plus my own).
    James - 1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais
    Calais Auto Detailing
    CalaisDetails@aim.com
    www.calaisdetailing.com (under construction)

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    Re: My First Rotary Experience!

    Originally posted by Calais View Post
    Be prepared to cringe:

    I used the wool pad and backing plate that came with the $35 rotary to apply some M105 to my 'rents Saturn. I have never used a rotary before. I used it near full speed and took a considerable amount of clear coat off. I did not start with a less aggressive method.
    What was the PTG reading's before and after you polished? How much clear did you remove?
    Let's make all of the cars shiny!

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      Also, how hot did you get it? If you damaged it it may not be appaerant for some time.

      Kudos for jumping into the world of the high speed!
      Freedom prospers when Christianity is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged

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        Hi Joe
        Let's make all of the cars shiny!

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          Hi Todd
          Freedom prospers when Christianity is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged

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            Joe.... You rock
            Let's make all of the cars shiny!

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              Todd ... you rule!
              Freedom prospers when Christianity is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged

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                Joe....you roll
                Let's make all of the cars shiny!

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                  East coast to West coast, can ya feel the love MOL?
                  "Every moment frontin and maxin
                  Chillin in the car they spent all day waxin
                  "

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                    NOTE: Post count does not reflect actual detailing knowledge.

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                      Re: My First Rotary Experience!

                      Originally posted by ColonelCash View Post




                      I once put swirls in my paint just to see what it looked like.

                      I don't always detail cars, but when I do, I prefer Meguiar's.
                      Remove swirls my friends.

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                        Re: My First Rotary Experience!

                        All right boys, let's not step on Calais' toes too much here.


                        Calais, that's a pretty nutty way to enter the realm of rotary buffing, but at least you fully recognize that. It would be real interesting to see what someone of Todd's or Joe's ability would do with that surface - it sounds like you just jumped in and attacked with full force and we suspect they would have finessed it a bit more, even using the exact same tools. Running that tool "near full blast" is almost 3,000 rpm - an eyebrow raiser for anyone! Just out of curiosity, did you ever stop and just lay your hand on the paint to see how hot it was getting? Do you have any before/after shots of the exercise?


                        Your determination and enthusiasm are to be admired, but if you get the chance to play around some more it would be nice to pick up an old body panel so you can intentionally create problems. It's good to get a feel for things when they go wrong - overheating the paint, burning an edge, etc - without fear of any real repercussions. The 'rents may understand and encourage you now, but if something really serious does go wrong will they still be so understanding?


                        Originally posted by Calais View Post
                        Keep in mind, I taped the trunk lid down the middle to showcase my detailing skills; I've done the same down the hood. Half of my Saturn's trunk lid and hood is corrected while the other half is riddled with bad swirls and RIDS. Anyone who notices this gets a business card, I'll probably also bring it with me to a couple of car meets.

                        So there you have it, no burned clear coat, no melted plastics and no irreparable buffer trails. I would consider my first rotary use a success, lets just hope I can better cultivate and hone my skills so that I can feel comfortable using a rotary on customers' cars (plus my own).
                        While we have no doubt that the half & half on the trunk and hood looks impressive, you yourself mentioned the removal of a lot of clear - but you really have no idea how much, and that's the danger. It's been said before but it can't be overstated - you do not have to go through the clear to have a serious problem. Removing 0.5 mil is the generally accepted maximum amount of clear that can safely be removed from a factory paint job. That is only 0.0005 (5/10,000) of an inch. Not a lot, huh?

                        Now don't think we're just busting your chops here, because we really aren't. We just want you to take your time and keep practicing, and we really are glad that your first experience was so positive in your eyes. But as Han Solo said to Luke Skywalker after he shot down his first TIE Fighter from the Millenium Falcon - "Don't get cocky, kid!" Yes, Luke turned out all right in the end, and you may become a Jedi buffer yourself, but even Luke had some ups and downs along the way. You know, losing that hand and all.











                        On a personal note: geez, did I really just make a huge Star Wars reference?? I have NO idea where that came from.
                        Michael Stoops
                        Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                        Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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                          Re: My First Rotary Experience!

                          Calais,can we see some pics? Even if it's from a phone or blueberry.

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                            Sorry for being MIA for a while, I had work.

                            Okay, I probably exaggerated when I said that I took of a lot of clear coat. I meant that I had to remove a certain amount to get any of the defects out, they were pretty bad. I will try to post some before pictures in a few minutes. I only have befores for now, I will take some afters tomorrow.

                            Mr. Stoops, Joe and Todd: I did not work the surface for very long because of how aggressive I knew the method was. I did feel the surface in between buffing and it was not very hot, in fact it was only a bit warmer than it was when I started (only worked it for a short time). I did most of the finishing with the DA anyway.

                            The deepest defects are still there but I would be concerned about taking off that much clearcoat. The paint has been abused since long before we owned it and my parents' car care habits would horrify each and every one of you.
                            James - 1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais
                            Calais Auto Detailing
                            CalaisDetails@aim.com
                            www.calaisdetailing.com (under construction)

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                              Re: My First Rotary Experience!

                              Pictures from my camera phone. They are bad but even they don't come close to doing the scratches justice. Here are some befores:







                              James - 1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais
                              Calais Auto Detailing
                              CalaisDetails@aim.com
                              www.calaisdetailing.com (under construction)

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