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    LSP Myth? -- SPIT SHINE & Layering?

    This comment is from a experience pro on another forum:

    " ..The only true way of layering a nuba is to spit shine. Cold water and wax over and over."

    I only go by what I learn here. And I appreciate it. [Broke my new camera out and am reading the owners manual.]
    Success is never final, failure is never fatal. It's courage that counts.
    by John Wooden

    '88 Honda
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    Re: LSP Myth? -- SPIT SHINE & Layering?

    Originally posted by Jossy92 View Post
    This comment is from an experience pro on another forum
    Should not have used "Myth" in the title: no disrespect intended. If a professonal uses the techique, it's not a myth. I'd like to learn the technique. But.....

    If you tell me you'll have to k--l me?
    Success is never final, failure is never fatal. It's courage that counts.
    by John Wooden

    '88 Honda

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    • #3
      Re: LSP Myth? -- SPIT SHINE & Layering?

      I've spit shined my shoes for decades. Who'da guessed I also am a member here?!

      I suspect it's an urban myth. I can't see how wax can penetrate into and grab onto paint as it does with leather. If it did, I'd be out there with a rag wrapped around my index finger shining away...
      "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research would it? (Albert Einstein 1879-1955)
      BOB

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      • #4
        Re: LSP Myth? -- SPIT SHINE & Layering?

        Originally posted by RGP View Post
        I've spit shined my shoes for decades.
        The only thing I can guess is that the water is a barrier between the new and old layer. Oil(LSP) floats so the fresh, wet layer never touches the old as long as you add water.

        Maybe it just helps spread it evenly and get even coverage, not layer.
        Success is never final, failure is never fatal. It's courage that counts.
        by John Wooden

        '88 Honda

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        • #5
          Re: LSP Myth? -- SPIT SHINE & Layering?

          The interesting thing about these "old pro" techniques is that these guys never had any sort of scientific testing to back up the claims. Is there truly a "layering" benefit when using a cold water spit shine vs just adding additional applications of a wax? What real proof do they have?

          By the same token, if someone uses this method (or any other "old pro" technique in any application) and they can detect a visual difference in the final outcome, then who's to say they're wasting their time? Honestly, if you do something that, in your eyes, makes a noticeable improvement in the appearance of the finish (provided what you're doing doesn't cause any other problems and is not detrimental to the finish) then it's kind of hard for someone else to tell you that you're wrong. And usually when you ask these guys to prove that their system works, they'll usually tell you to just look at the result. Can you see the difference? Maybe, maybe not. But if they can, that's really all that matters. To them at least.

          Is there any scientific data to back up any of these claims? But isn't this whole detailing hobby/business a blending of science and art anyway?

          But never lose sight of the fact that prep is vitally important to the overall finish and appearance. So many people get caught up in which wax they should use without considering the prep work. Primarily because it's just that - work!
          Michael Stoops
          Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

          Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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          • #6
            Re: LSP Myth? -- SPIT SHINE & Layering?

            I think that is utter nonsense because it cannot be proved or at least it has never been proved.

            I think there are a lot of outlandish statements you'll find all over the internet but the question is what can you prove?

            Does he have some type of device which accurately measures this layering method he speaks of? I know that Meguiars recommends 2 applications of their products to get complete coverage, but not for layering (at least I don't think it is for layering).
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            • #7
              Re: LSP Myth? -- SPIT SHINE & Layering?

              Originally posted by 3Fitty View Post
              I know that Meguiars recommends 2 applications of their products to get complete coverage, but not for layering (at least I don't think it is for layering).
              That's right. We recommend two thin layers just for uniform coverage and appearance. We have yet to see anyone definitely prove that you can continue to build layer upon layer of a sealant or wax.

              That said, we aren't going to stop you if you want to try it, but we will always recommend against that practice with our waxes and sealants.
              Michael Stoops
              Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

              Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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              • #8
                Re: LSP Myth? -- SPIT SHINE & Layering?

                FYI the directions for the "original"(60's) Blue Coral sealer called for applying cold water to the surface after you applied and buffed off the sealer. You were to dry the section after applying the water and buff again. #16 is a "piece-of-cake" compared to that stuff.

                Tom

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                • #9
                  Re: LSP Myth? -- SPIT SHINE & Layering?

                  Originally posted by tguil View Post
                  FYI the directions for the "original"(60's) Blue Coral sealer called for applying cold water to the surface after you applied and buffed off the sealer. You were to dry the section after applying the water and buff again. #16 is a "piece-of-cake" compared to that stuff.

                  Tom
                  Glad I'm not the only one that remembers their stupid sealer. It was like trying to remove slow drying enamel. I once applied it to my dad's entire car, and then he had to leave for an hour. Good grief; what a job. Darned near killed me!
                  "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research would it? (Albert Einstein 1879-1955)
                  BOB

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                  • #10
                    Re: LSP Myth? -- SPIT SHINE & Layering?

                    Can you even imagine doing a 60's era monster Caddy with this stuff???

                    "If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be called research would it? (Albert Einstein 1879-1955)
                    BOB

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                    • #11
                      Re: LSP Myth? -- SPIT SHINE & Layering?

                      Some good reads on layering and wax thickness testing.

                      Thickness of wax layers?
                      http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=127943


                      Wax and Sealant thicknesses
                      http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=130901
                      Rasky's Auto Detailing

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                      • #12
                        Re: LSP Myth? -- SPIT SHINE & Layering?

                        Originally posted by RaskyR1 View Post
                        Some good reads on layering and wax thickness testing.

                        Thickness of wax layers?
                        http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=127943


                        http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/foru...d.php?t=130901
                        So, in other words, the so called "layering" expert, should re-exam his expertise! LOL

                        Wish you had posted that before I got sucked into the putting 5 coats of Zaino on my car for winter!
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                        • #13
                          Re: LSP Myth? -- SPIT SHINE & Layering?

                          If one side of the camp is telling other side never did "prove" it works as advertised then first side should practice what they preach and offer proof it does not work as advertised.

                          So, with that in mind, did any of the naysayers actually ever try spit shining and it did not work for them?

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                          • #14
                            Re: LSP Myth? -- SPIT SHINE & Layering?

                            That thread on layering is great. What are the odds that a company like Meguiars has done simialar testing, and that's why they recommend the 2 layers for even coverage?
                            2010 Camaro SS RS (black), "OBSSEST"

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                              Re: LSP Myth? -- SPIT SHINE & Layering?

                              Originally posted by OBSSEST View Post
                              That thread on layering is great. What are the odds that a company like Meguiars has done simialar testing, and that's why they recommend the 2 layers for even coverage?
                              I've said this about Meguiar's a LONG time ago. They could have easily adoped the "layer it 40 times" position as a means of using more product and boosting sales, but they never have.

                              I think it is testament to the fact that they don't feed us facts they cannot prove or support. To me, that is the highest form of customer service.
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