Light Haze appear after using 105

[NutsAboutCars]

Hello.
I am new to this forum and this is my first post. I am new in this polishing field and I have encountered a few problems when I was polishing my car. I am currently using Meguiar’s product M105 and M205 with a Makita 9227C Rotary Buffer.
When I was polishing my black car (5 months old), after doing the compounding, I found out there is a light uneven haze appearing on the clear coat/paint. I have consulted a detailer; according to him, this car has a soft paint which resulted to the haze. The detailer then advice me to use Flex XC3401dual action polisher where it is said it will remove the haze Do you think it is a good idea to purchase the DA machine?
Furthermore I would like to know the following:
Is it the product use that is not suitable for the soft paint? If so what product should I use?
Is the technique right? Or
Is it the machine which is not suitable for soft paints?
Any advice/help is greatly appreciated
Thanks in advance
Sorry for my English

[seth1066]

Re: Light Haze appear after using 105

What brand of car, what pads were you using for each product? Usually, any haze disappears with the 205 on a foam polishing pad with a rotary.

[NutsAboutCars]

Re: Light Haze appear after using 105

My car is a Black Proton Gen2. I am using W7207 Foam Cutting Pad for the 105 and W7207 Foam Polishing Pad for the 205. Even after polishing with the 205 there is still a light haze. Is it true that a Dual Action polishing machine is needed to remove the light haze? or am I using the wrong technique?

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Light Haze appear after using 105

Your topic is a common issue and there are 3, 4, maybe 5 threads that discuss this in detail in the Hot Topics Forum.

Even if you use great technique, have the best pads and products, some paints don't polish as well as others. That's why the tried and true remedy is to change the action of the tool.

By this I mean, after the rotary buffer steps, switch to using a DA Polisher like the G110v2 to insure a swirl free finish.


Avoiding Swirls with a Rotary buffer

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This is a good read...

Paint Workability - The Hardness or Softness of your car's paint

"You don't how hard or soft your paint is until you go out into your garage and work on your car"

[seth1066]

Re: Light Haze appear after using 105

My car is a Black Proton Gen2. I am using W7207 Foam Cutting Pad for the 105 and W7207 Foam Polishing Pad for the 205. Even after polishing with the 205 there is still a light haze. Is it true that a Dual Action polishing machine is needed to remove the light haze? or am I using the wrong technique?

I think you mistyped the finishing pad, you've got W7207 down for both.

I'm assuming you used an actual finishing pad. I only use these for LSP/wax. I would try a polishing pad, Meg's W8207.

First, because of the various paint hardness, you should always mask off and do a test area to see what technique is needed prior to doing the entire car.

I'm going to quote Kickin' Griffin from this thread:

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35857

• Begin working at 1200rpm, for two or three passes until residue evenly spread and panel slightly warmed, light pressure
• Work at 1500rpm with moderate pressure and steady machine movements, two or three inches per second movements, lightening pressure off towards end of the set
• Refine at 1200rpm, lighter pressure, slower machine movements
• Burnish at 900rpm, supporting the weight of the rotary, and making slow one inch per second machine movements

The technique is to lighten the pressure on the pad on subsequent passes. At the stage you're in now, I would try the 205 with very light pressure in a test spot and see what you get and then modify your technique, i.e. pressure accordingly.

The 205 should work, if not, you're going to have to go back to the 105 and experiment again on a test area.

Yes, the DA is great for swirl free, but it can haze just as "well" as a rotary if used incorrectly for the three P's: paint/product/pad combination

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Light Haze appear after using 105

Seth is offering up some very good information here, along with the information he's passed along from Kickin Griffin.

If your paint is really soft you may want to look into using a W9207 Soft Buff 2.0 Finishing Pad with just the weight of the tool and a speed as low as 900 rpm with the M205. This will give you a very long buffing cycle and you should be able to really finesse the finish this way. As it is, your polishing pad may be a bit too aggressive for your final polishing step, depending on what speed you're running at.

If your pad and product choice are truly the cause of the paint haze, then just changing tools won't necessarily fix the problem. You would, after all, still be using the same pad/liquid.

Let's look at slightly altering your technique before you spend that kind of money on a Flex.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Light Haze appear after using 105

Is it true that a Dual Action polishing machine is needed to remove the light haze? or am I using the wrong technique?

Well black is going to show everything so that's the worse thing about owning a black car.

There's haze and there's swirls or holograms.

You might be able to remove the haze by using a softer finishing foam pad for the M205 and the paint will look good in the garage.

Pull the car out into the sun and inspect for holograms and make sure that you're removing both the haze and the swirls or holograms.

Rotary Buffer Swirls also called Holograms or Buffer Trails


Swirls removed on passenger side by hand, swirls removed on driver's side with DA Polisher

[NutsAboutCars]

Re: Light Haze appear after using 105

[QUOTE=seth1066;383066]I think you mistyped the finishing pad, you've got W7207 down for both.

Yes i mistyped the finishing pad. Sorry about that. I am using Meguiar's W8207 Foam Polishing Pad. Thanks for your advise.

[NutsAboutCars]

Re: Light Haze appear after using 105

Thanks for all of your advise. I will compound and polish using the M105 and M205 again this weekend. I will use all your tips and try to improve on my technique and see the result. I will post the results after I am done.

Thanks.

[seth1066]

Re: Light Haze appear after using 105

Thanks for all of your advise. I will compound and polish using the M105 and M205 again this weekend. I will use all your tips and try to improve on my technique and see the result. I will post the results after I am done.

Thanks.

Try the 205 in a small test area as shown in Mike's post on the black hood above. If that does the trick, you'll save yourself considerable time as well as not removing any more paint than you have to.

[Detale]

Re: Light Haze appear after using 105

Well black is going to show everything so that's the worse thing about owning a black car.

There's haze and there's swirls or holograms.

You might be able to remove the haze by using a softer finishing foam pad for the M205 and the paint will look good in the garage.

Pull the car out into the sun and inspect for holograms and make sure that you're removing both the haze and the swirls or holograms.

Rotary Buffer Swirls also called Holograms or Buffer Trails


Swirls removed on passenger side by hand, swirls removed on driver's side with DA Polisher

What polish and pad did you use to remove the holograms?