#1, #2, #3, etc

[LelandGray]

What are #1 and #2 for, and how are they different from other products like #105 and #205, etc?

Same for #3.. how is it different from #5 or #7?

I was at an O'Reilly's that caters to paint shops, and they had #1, #2, and #3 in stock and I hadn't really heard anything about those.

[ClearlyCoated]

Re: #1, #2, #3, etc

For any Meguiars product, visit Meguiars.com or autodetailingsolutions.net. Search for the product (ex: M01, M02, M03). You will get a nice little capsule review of the product and it's application.

For example: (M01)

Medium-Cut Cleaner is a moderately abrasive cleaner that removes medium defects, including swirls, water spots and water sanding marks. Diminishing Abrasives™ cut quickly, then reduce to a polishing rouge, while Buffered Abrasive™ action lubricates the finish to prevent scratching.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: #1, #2, #3, etc

These are the early products originally introduced in their automotive line when Meguiar's switched from being only a manufacture of Furniture Cleaner and Furniture Polish

Check out this forum... Blast from the Past

Here's some examples...

MBF-1 Mirror Bright Furniture and Woodwork Cleaner


MBF-2 Mirror Bright Furniture Polish



MBF-5 Finish Preserver For Dull Furniture


M01, M02 and M04 were "Paint Cleaners", kind of like an old fashioned rubbing or polishing compound except a lot more complex in their make-up and use of diminishing abrasives instead of hard, sharp abrasives that just scoured the paint.

M03, M05, M07 were non-abrasive pure polishes for create gloss and beauty.

Meguiar's didn't launch a wax until after Frank Meguiar Jr. passed away in 1950 and then M1611 was introduced in 1951

[searle]

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...M03, M05, M07 were non-abrasive pure polishes for create gloss and beauty...

"were"? I love my M07, dont tease me like that :-)

[LelandGray]

Re: #1, #2, #3, etc

For any Meguiars product, visit Meguiars.com or autodetailingsolutions.net. Search for the product (ex: M01, M02, M03). You will get a nice little capsule review of the product and it's application.

For example: (M01)

I saw that, but I was more curious why or why not choose that over something else that is similar.. know what I mean?

[sleepy]

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I saw that, but I was more curious why or why not choose that over something else that is similar.. know what I mean?

Not really. Are you asking why they use the number instead of calling it say show car glaze? Which is # 7 by the way

[Murr1525]

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The products like #1, #2, #4 tend to be rotary products as well.

The #80's and #105/205 are more for DA application, and clear coat paints. Of course #85 is for rotaries, #86 is for fresh paint..... Its probably best to ask here, and go with the trends sometimes...

[Michael Stoops]

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Often times the differences may seem pretty subtle to the uninitiated, but to a long time pro the differences can be significant.

With regard to M01 Medium Cut Cleaner/M02 Fine Cut Cleaner compared to M105 Ultra Cut Compound/M205 Ultra Finishing Polish, you're basically looking at "old school" versus "high tech" products. The first pair of products, and others such as M80 Speed Glaze, are diminishing abrasive products that have been around for many, many years. Diminishing abrasive means just what it says; as you work the product the abrasives contained in them break down to smaller and smaller particles, refining the finish as they go. Now, that's all relative, since the heaviest cutting products of this type won't break down from a very aggressive cut to a super fine polish all by themselves. You generally need to step down to finer and finer liquids as you go. It's really not all that different from sanding a piece of wood, where you move to finer and finer sandpapers as you refine the finish. There are professionals in body shops who have used the same products for years, are very familiar with them, use them to fantastic effect, and have absolutely no desire to change.

The higher tech abrasives found in M105 and M205 do not break down. They are extremely small, but very hard and quite uniform in size and shape. This allows them to cut very effectively while leaving a very nice finish at the same time. There are limits to how nice a finish you can achieve with the most aggressive of these, as often times you're applying M105 with a wool pad to pull out 1000 grit sanding marks. But the technology is such that you can often skip a polishing step and save time in the process. And technology really is the key here. Paint systems have changed more in the past few years than they did the in the several decades prior, and they continue to change fairly rapidly. The processes and liquids needed to work on these paints had to change to keep up with the paint technology.

Many of the diminishing abrasive products that offer a lot of cut are not compatible with a D/A polisher - they are designed with an abrasive particle that simply requires the power of a rotary buffer to break them down, so when used with a D/A they tend to scour the paint. M105 is compatible with a D/A, but the D/A generally does not provide the power needed to pull out sanding marks. So people started using M105 to quickly remove swirls and other minor to moderate defects. So while the differences may appear subtle at first, these really are dramatically different products.

In the case of pure polishes like M03, M05, M07 and even Deep Crystal Polish where the goal is simply to create additional gloss on a well prepared surface, the differences really are fairly subtle. M03 was designed specifically for rotary buffer application because there are those individuals who use that tool for everything. M05 and M07 achieve much the same result, but are designed for hand application (primarily) under different humidity levels. Deep Crystal Polish was derived from these pro products but is formulated so as to be easier to use in the hands of a total novice - it's the only pure polish in our consumer line.

[ziggo99]

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Where in the line does it switch from the old school to new school abrasives? Since not all products list which ones they are. For me personally, I'm asking about #82, Swirl Free Polish.

[Murr1525]

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#82 is diminishing abrasives.

I think only #86, #205, and #105 are the SMAT, in the Pro Line.

[Michael Stoops]

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#82 is diminishing abrasives.

I think only #86, #205, and #105 are the SMAT, in the Pro Line.

M86 is sort of a hybrid, actually. M95 is also SMAT, as is D151. In the consumer line Ultimate Compound, ScratchX 2.0 and SwirlX utilize SMAT (super micro abrasive technology)

Where in the line does it switch from the old school to new school abrasives? Since not all products list which ones they are. For me personally, I'm asking about #82, Swirl Free Polish.

Please don't think by "old school" and "new school" we are implying that either one is necessarily "better". There are plenty of cases where a diminishing abrasive product will perform better than a SMAT product, and vice versa. With regard to M82 Swirl Free Polish, which is a terrific final finishing polish that makes use of diminishing abrasives, the crossover product (for lack of a better term) in the SMAT arena would be M205 Ultra Finishing Polish. Depending on your method of application, your ultimate goal, your budget and of course the paint, either one may be the "better" choice.

[Murr1525]

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Since when was there a 95?

[Michael Stoops]

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Since when was there a 95?

Don't beat your head against the wall too hard, buddy! M95 Speed Cut Compound was introduced at the same time as M105. It's a rotary only product designed with those hard core, old school users in mind. You know, the kind we mentioned that just aren't willing to change and won't let old habits die? Well, M95 gives them the same sort of look and feel they're used to in a product, but with cutting ability on par with M105. Biggest difference, for the enthusiast user, is that you definitely don't want to run M95 on a D/A. It's a rotary only product that should be coupled with a wool pad the vast majority of the time.

[Murr1525]

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Oh good, something I dont need...