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  • #31
    Re: The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products - This might surprise you!

    I would guess SwirlX-ish...
    2017 Subaru WRX Premium - WR Blue

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    • #32
      Re: The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products - This might surprise you!

      Originally posted by jdavis92 View Post
      All things being equal...where would White Wax slot in?
      Originally posted by Murr1525 View Post
      I would guess SwirlX-ish...
      That's a pretty good guess, but it's actually more on par with D151 PRC, all things being equal (pad, tool, speed, pressure, etc).
      Michael Stoops
      Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

      Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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      • #33
        Re: The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products - This might surprise you!

        Originally posted by Michael Stoops View Post
        That's a pretty good guess, but it's actually more on par with D151 PRC, all things being equal (pad, tool, speed, pressure, etc).
        Wow, really?

        So Mike are you saying that WW has about the same cutting ability as D151?
        Originally posted by Blueline
        I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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        • #34
          Re: The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products - This might surprise you!

          Originally posted by davey g-force View Post
          Wow, really?

          So Mike are you saying that WW has about the same cutting ability as D151?
          Yes. White Wax uses SMAT abrasives and is surprisingly effective at removing light to moderate swirls when applied with a DA and a foam polishing pad. Below are a couple examples of the power of White Wax taken from a couple of TNOG sessions early last year. This first one is a great example of swirl removal using WW as a one step product.

          People have asked if they could use the cleaning ability of White Wax on a darker colored car. Well sure you can! Remember, this new White Wax is essentially a cleaner wax that uses SMAT abrasives, so it's got a lot of cleaning power. Here's a before shot of some swirled blue paint.


          One application of White Wax and the swirls are almost completely gone. No, it's not a substitute for a full, dedicated paint cleaner like Ultimate Compound, but for a one step this is a huge result!

          This is more of what WW was designed for: bringing back the true brightness of color on lighter colored vehicles that have been exposed to the elements for some time. You'll notice in the 50/50 shot below that the "before" section actually looked pretty glossy, but it just wasn't "white" any more. With a somewhat aggressive application of WW the brilliance of the white paint is restored - in a single step.
          We're using the yellow foam pad to get a bit more cut, and we're running at speed 5. Normally you'd apply wax with a finishing pad at speed 3, but this is a fairly potent cleaner wax so we wanted to see if we could maximize the cleaning ability of it.



          The brighter areas toward the nose of the car are after using White Wax, while the darker, duller areas are untouched.
          Michael Stoops
          Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

          Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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          • #35
            Re: The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products - This might surprise you!

            While we're talking about White Wax, where does Black wax fit? I suppose about in between swirlX and M205 (I suppose ultimate pollish comes after M205 but only marginally)

            Or is it more aggressive than that?

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            • #36
              Re: The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products - This might surprise you!

              Ult. Polish is milder than #205, and Black Wax should be milder than Ult. Polish.
              2017 Subaru WRX Premium - WR Blue

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              • #37
                Re: The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products - This might surprise you!

                Wow, that's a dramatic difference!


                Looks like White Wax is going on the shopping list! Thanks for the info, Michael.

                Bill

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                • #38
                  Re: The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products - This might surprise you!

                  Thanks Michael.
                  Originally posted by Blueline
                  I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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                  • #39
                    Re: The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products - This might surprise you!

                    Black Wax is quite a bit less aggressive than White Wax but it contains a lot more polishing oils, which darker colors really love. This graphic spells it out pretty well, comparing both Black and White Waxes to our original Cleaner Wax.

                    Michael Stoops
                    Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                    Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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                    • #40
                      Re: The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products - This might surprise you!

                      Yeah, i already found that comparison chart on the website, but hoe does it scale to the other SMAT products?

                      Maybe update the chart in the opening post by adding Light/Dark wax, and Ultimate pollish

                      I know Dark wax is milder then Light wax, but now by what margin (compared to the other SMAT products)

                      I mean, seeing that Light wax is appearantly more agressive than SwirlX, make's me wonder what Dark wax compare's to.

                      Like if it could remove haze left behind by ultimate compound/M105

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                      • #41
                        Re: The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products - This might surprise you!

                        The Black Wax isnt SMAT.

                        It is just a very mild cleaner/wax like the A12 (red bottle), but with extra polishing oils.
                        2017 Subaru WRX Premium - WR Blue

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                        • #42
                          Re: The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products - This might surprise you!

                          Great thread, fabulous information!

                          A question which may have been answered earlier, but wondering something:

                          With my new DA Orbiter (HF edition), if I am using Swirlx with the orbiter for moderate correction, what color pad should I use, and what backing plate do you recommend?
                          2016 red Hyundai Azera, acquired with 21 miles. Drive 600+ miles/week. Commercial RE agent in CA focusing on properties in the Truckee/Lake Tahoe basin.

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                          • #43
                            Re: The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products - This might surprise you!

                            Hard to say what your definition of Moderate is exactly......

                            However, in the DAMF (Dual Action Microfiber System) system D300 paired up with 5" Microfiber cutting Disc and the 5" backing plate - W67DA, would be a simple no frills solution for you when tackling moderate defects.

                            Staying within the system that could be followed up with D301 on a 5" MF finishing disc.......

                            This would produce phemoninal correction, gloss, clarity, and definition of image of things being reflected by the newly buffed paint!
                            Christopher Brown | OCDCarCare ​Los Angeles - Auto Detailing Services & Training Courses
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                            2013 Meguiar's/Ford SEMA Team, 2015 SEMA Car Crazy Corral

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                            • #44
                              Re: The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products - This might surprise you!

                              **phenomenal correction may also be achieved in addition to phemoninal..

                              ahahaha oh the joys of bad typing coupled with poor spelling


                              Christopher Brown | OCDCarCare ​Los Angeles - Auto Detailing Services & Training Courses
                              OCDCarCare.com | FACEBOOK| Detailing Article Archive | INSTAGRAM
                              2013 Meguiar's/Ford SEMA Team, 2015 SEMA Car Crazy Corral

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                              • #45
                                Re: The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products - This might surprise you!

                                Originally posted by Christopher.Brown View Post
                                Hard to say what your definition of Moderate is exactly......

                                However, in the DAMF (Dual Action Microfiber System) system D300 paired up with 5" Microfiber cutting Disc and the 5" backing plate - W67DA, would be a simple no frills solution for you when tackling moderate defects.

                                Staying within the system that could be followed up with D301 on a 5" MF finishing disc.......

                                This would produce phemoninal correction, gloss, clarity, and definition of image of things being reflected by the newly buffed paint!


                                Well, that's a really good question, and I'll attempt to answer here:

                                'Moderate' means even though I've switched to touchless car washes, I've driven approximately 5,000 miles since last using SwirlX.

                                I bought the real cheap polisher from Auto Zone (net cost $10) and it seemed to do an OK job. It didn't cut down on the time at all though.

                                If some of you follow my threads, you'll know that I ran over a rock which skipped along the driver's side, scuffing (but not scratching) the paint.

                                Since I drive 600+ miles a week, I consider the environmental damage to date 'moderate.'

                                And the reason I asked about SwirlX is because I have a bottle which is over 90% full.

                                Was hoping I could use it rather than spring for another compound.

                                I trust that helps with your diagnosis.
                                2016 red Hyundai Azera, acquired with 21 miles. Drive 600+ miles/week. Commercial RE agent in CA focusing on properties in the Truckee/Lake Tahoe basin.

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