Detailing Spray/Clay Lube interaction with polishing?

[DJJeffMills]

Having a conversation re: detailing steps and somebody made a comment about claying.

Has anybody ever heard of this:

"The detail sprays or cut-down-washes mixed to be a detail spray [i.e. 50/50 Last Touch] can leave behind polymers which bond to the paint and will heat up and cause a hazing/hologram effect under the high-RPM buffing of a polish."

[Don]

Re: Detailing Spray/Clay Lube interaction with polishing?

That's a new one, sounds bogus to me.

The ingredients in a mist & wipe or clay lube are not that durable and are designed primarily as a temporary lubricant for the clay to glide over, the second you touch your paint with a polish after claying, ALL TRACES of the mist & wipe or clay lube are removed.

[J. A. Michaels]

Re: Detailing Spray/Clay Lube interaction with polishing?

I find that very dubious to say the least. All of the vehicles I have clayed. Did not have any hazing or holograms.

Furthermore, that would also mean that anyone that uses a quik detailer then buffs out a car with a high rpm machine. Is just making more work for themselves and leaving holograms in their wake.

Again I really do not believe that statement.

[CieraSL]

Re: Detailing Spray/Clay Lube interaction with polishing?

Highly unlikely statement. If you wipe down your paint with Last Touch, then leave it out in the sun and the paint heats up, do you see hazing/hologramming? Of course not. I think that statement is bogus.

[TOGWT]

Re: Detailing Spray/Clay Lube interaction with polishing?

[Another thing to consider while looking into a “filling” situation is the use of high tech spray-able polymers or polymer sealants. A paint loaded up with durable polymers will definitely throw off subsequent compound and polish performance. I learned this the hard way…by trying to figure out crazy anomalies in results of product testing going on in 24 countries.

These polymers can be arch applied at a car wash, sprayed on by detailers, and/or waxed on by consumers. And some of these products, like Meguiar’s UQD, M135 Synthetic Spray Detailer, or Tech Wax 2.0 or M21 Synthetic Sealant 2.0 can have a lasting impact on a paint finish…to the extent of throwing off the performance of compounds and polishes in a subsequent application.] Jason Rose

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Detailing Spray/Clay Lube interaction with polishing?

TOGWT, while it's true that Jason Rose made those comments, they have nothing to do with the OP's original question about clay lube leaving behind something that can cause buffing issues. We do not recommend using UQD or M135 as a clay lube, only our original Quik Detailer or Last Touch (diluted 1:1), and neither of these are going to leave behind any durable polymers that might cause issues with the buffing process.

And for those products, whether ours or another company's, that will leave durable polymers behind, it's not necessarily those polymers that cause the holograms during the rotary buffing process. It's the mere act of compounding and wool pad use that will inflict these, even on fresh paint that has never been introduced to such polymers. A skilled operator can minimize the incidence of these holograms, and eliminate them completely in later steps, but for someone to blame holograms on any polymers found in clay lube is a cop out.

As Jason points out, certain durable polymers can indeed throw off the performance of compounds and polishes, but he's referring to a decrease in performance of the compounds/polishes, not the introduction of holograms.

[RaskyR1]

Re: Detailing Spray/Clay Lube interaction with polishing?

TOGWT, while it's true that Jason Rose made those comments, they have nothing to do with the OP's original question about clay lube leaving behind something that can cause buffing issues. We do not recommend using UQD or M135 as a clay lube, only our original Quik Detailer or Last Touch (diluted 1:1), and neither of these are going to leave behind any durable polymers that might cause issues with the buffing process.

And for those products, whether ours or another company's, that will leave durable polymers behind, it's not necessarily those polymers that cause the holograms during the rotary buffing process. It's the mere act of compounding and wool pad use that will inflict these, even on fresh paint that has never been introduced to such polymers. A skilled operator can minimize the incidence of these holograms, and eliminate them completely in later steps, but for someone to blame holograms on any polymers found in clay lube is a cop out.

As Jason points out, certain durable polymers can indeed throw off the performance of compounds and polishes, but he's referring to a decrease in performance of the compounds/polishes, not the introduction of holograms.

I concur!