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  • 1979 Ski Supreme ski boat - back from Davey Jones' Locker

    Well, OK, the boat didn't actually sink so maybe "back from Davey Jones' Locker" is a bit of a stretch. We think you'll agree, however, that the condition was in such a state as to make your heart sink if you had to deal with this situation yourself.

    The boat came to us through Ash Erickson, Meguiar's Marine/RV Sales & Training Rep and we thought this was a great time to do a write up on a boat detailing. With that in mind...... geez, this boat needed some help!!

    This is how it came to us - a 21' 1979 Ski Supreme with original finish. Ouch. Gel coat that old is essentially beyond the limits of its useful life, and this one was dry and chalky. The oxidized, almost flaky white gel coat would literally rub off on your fingertips. It was dry as a bone.





    As you can see, the tires and wheels were in need of some TLC as well.





    The exhaust tips had lost their luster too.



    And the interior and dock bumpers had definitely seen better days.







    We were going to need an arsenal of products..... luckily we have a source handy for such an arsenal.



    So where to start......washing, of course! Here, Ash gets to work with the hose and Meguiar's Boat Wash.





    Next we grabbed the Meguiar's Detailing Masking Tape and covered the trim.





    Ash made the call to start out with M67 One Step Compound with a W7207 cutting pad on the G110v2. Now, many of you know that we caution against use of a cutting pad on a D/A, but that's when dealing with automotive paint. Gel coat is much harder and much thicker than automotive paint, so while a cutting pad might haze paint it actually comes in quite handy when dealing with oxidized, very hard gel coat.



    Using this product and tool on gel coat is pretty much like using a typical paint cleaner on your car. Same speed, same kind of pressure, same small work area. M67 is a product that actually feels a bit coarse when rubbed between your fingers, but a badly oxidized, old gel coat needs that sort of power to correct it.



    Once the product has been worked until it's almost, but not quite, gone it's time to stop buffing and wipe off the excess. Not a bad improvement for the first pass, eh? Oh, and the glossier looking strip toward the top of the red would be the area normally protected by the boat cover.





    Hey, is that an actual reflection in the side now??????



    Ash does a little test using M45 High Gloss Polish to see if it would add some additional gloss and/or help with the buff out if applied first.



    Yep, that is a definite reflection!



    In an attempt to determine if we really were on the right track, Ash did a test spot using a rotary buffer.



    We stayed with the W7207 cutting pad and M67 One Step Compound, but the combination of badly dried out gel and the heat of rotary conspired against us and the product dried up very quickly. So we stayed with the G110v2 for the whole process.



    Paul (AKA the other pc) spent the day with us and was a huge help. We can always count on Paul's enthusiastic participation in this sort of thing. He's either a glutton for punishment or just a super nice guy!! Thanks for all the help with this project, Paul!



    As the correction progressed and it came time to wax, nothing less than Flagship Premium Marine Wax would do.



    Derek Bemiss of DetailWerks popped in for a bit too. He was detailing cars all day long very nearby, so when it came time to take a lunch break he came down to work on the boat. He might be the only guy who takes a break from detailing by, um, detailing.



    But there was more than gel coat to deal with on this day. Here we take a crack (no pun intended) at the plastic windows with a little PlastX on a W8004 polishing pad running on a pneumatic D/A mini tool.



    The G110v2 came in really handy for the expanse of dirty vinyl on the interior too. Here Paul cleans up the back seat with some M39 Heavy Duty Vinyl Cleaner and a W8207 polishing pad.



    Here's a 50/50 shot of the center engine cover. That M39/W8207/G110v2 did a great job here and throughout the interior of the boat.



    The dock bumpers cleaned up beautifully too. This was just a quick hit of M39 by hand.



    Remember those nasty exhaust tips? Well, they're shiny again thanks to M93 Marine/RV Metal Polish.



    The wheels got the same M93 treatment, while the tires were cleaned with M39 and a brush. Tires were then dressed with M40.





    Seemed to work OK, didn't it??





    Paul put the finishing touches on the plastic windscreens while Ash finished off the interior. But look at the color on the hull of the boat now. It's red again!





    It's red and it shines.



    It's red and it can actually reflect objects. In this case, the "no parking" paint on the parking lot.







    So there you have it. After approximately 18 man hours of work the boat looks ready for the water again, and the owner won't be embarrassed when he rolls it off the trailer and runs the tow rope out the back. Heck, he'll probably have skiers lined up waiting for their turn to slalom behind this baby!
    Michael Stoops
    Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

    Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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    Re: 1979 Ski Supreme ski boat - back from Davey Jones' Locker

    I was lucky enough to see the boat a few times as I passed by throughout the day, but all I never saw the final product....

    Mike Pennington
    Director of Global Training, Events and Consumer Relations
    Meguiar's, Inc.
    800-854-8073
    mpennington@meguiars.com

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    • #3
      Re: 1979 Ski Supreme ski boat - back from Davey Jones' Locker

      Very nice work guys.

      You guys are fast, it took me fifty six hours to do a similar size boat a while back.

      I enjoyed the writeup as well, I know it takes a lot of time and effort to document such a process.
      Nick
      Tucker's Detailing Services
      815-954-0773
      2012 Ford Transit Connect

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      • #4
        Re: 1979 Ski Supreme ski boat - back from Davey Jones' Locker

        Very Very nice work guys. I wish i could live up there, I would be in Meguiars garage every single day helping out doing what ever its to be done I just love detailing.

        Great job!
        Ryan's Auto Detailing, S.A
        Mobile Auto Detailing Company.
        Dominican Republic.

        Passion for Detailing, do it with love.

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        • #5
          Re: 1979 Ski Supreme ski boat - back from Davey Jones' Locker

          Hey, excellent write up. I noticed Paul used a Polishing Pad to clean the vinyl. Is it safe to use one of those on leather too?
          Matt

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          • #6
            Re: 1979 Ski Supreme ski boat - back from Davey Jones' Locker

            Great work, everyone. The boat was hammered. It looks fantastic.

            great tip about the #39 and the polishing pad.

            Excellent work, everyone.
            quality creates its own demand

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            • #7
              Re: 1979 Ski Supreme ski boat - back from Davey Jones' Locker

              The boat truly looks awesome. Thank you for the share Mike.
              Learning new things everyday

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              • #8
                Re: 1979 Ski Supreme ski boat - back from Davey Jones' Locker

                Very impressive!


                Did you use anything on the diamond plate by the tires? Did you use M40 on the interior vinyl as well after you cleaned it?
                Shane
                1995 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera SL

                If you trim yourself to fit the world you'll whittle yourself away. - Aaron Tippin

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                • #9
                  Re: 1979 Ski Supreme ski boat - back from Davey Jones' Locker

                  Awesome Work! The boat looks great now.

                  I've never worked on a boat before, but how do you treat the areas that the boat rests on the trailer with?

                  I once put swirls in my paint just to see what it looked like.

                  I don't always detail cars, but when I do, I prefer Meguiar's.
                  Remove swirls my friends.

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                  • #10
                    Re: 1979 Ski Supreme ski boat - back from Davey Jones' Locker

                    Hugh improvement!!
                    Great job guys

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                    • #11
                      Re: 1979 Ski Supreme ski boat - back from Davey Jones' Locker

                      Looks great.

                      As you said the gel coat is past its useful life, will the results hold up, or will it deteriorate again quickly?
                      2017 Subaru WRX Premium - WR Blue

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                      • #12
                        Re: 1979 Ski Supreme ski boat - back from Davey Jones' Locker

                        Awesome work guys!

                        Paul (AKA the other pc) spent the day with us and was a huge help. We can always count on Paul's enthusiastic participation in this sort of thing. He's either a glutton for punishment or just a super nice guy!! Thanks for all the help with this project, Paul!

                        Having done my share of boats I'd have to say punishment!
                        Rasky's Auto Detailing

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                        • #13
                          Re: 1979 Ski Supreme ski boat - back from Davey Jones' Locker

                          Originally posted by Megafast13 View Post
                          Hey, excellent write up. I noticed Paul used a Polishing Pad to clean the vinyl. Is it safe to use one of those on leather too?
                          If you want to go this route on leather it's probably best you only do it for very light maintenance cleaning and dressing. Use a finishing pad and set the tool to the lowest speed and just gently work the product in. What you do NOT want to do is use a polishing pad on a higher speed for deep cleaning really dirty leather. At that point you run the risk of getting overly aggressive/abrasive with the surface and you could rapidly degrade the clear coat on the leather. That surface is not intended to be worked on with anything abrasive and although a typical leather cleaner/conditioner is not abrasive, a polishing pad spinning at speed is. We don't technically recommend this process, so if you choose to try it just proceed with caution. Remember, common sense is your friend.

                          Originally posted by CieraSL View Post
                          Very impressive!


                          Did you use anything on the diamond plate by the tires? Did you use M40 on the interior vinyl as well after you cleaned it?
                          We didn't really do anything for the diamond plate or the trailer itself, other than a simple wipe down, as most of it was just too far gone. We did dress all the interior vinyl though.

                          Originally posted by Andrew C. View Post
                          Awesome Work! The boat looks great now.

                          I've never worked on a boat before, but how do you treat the areas that the boat rests on the trailer with?
                          It's common for guys to jack the boat up off the trailer a bit, work on those areas and then drop the boat back onto the trailer. We did not have the equipment needed for that, but all of those areas are below the water line and we weren't going for a true hardcore restoration here.

                          Originally posted by Murr1525 View Post
                          Looks great.

                          As you said the gel coat is past its useful life, will the results hold up, or will it deteriorate again quickly?
                          We do expect the gel to fade back pretty severely in as little as a year, especially if the owner doesn't do much maintenance to it. Heck, we're already toying with the idea of bringing it back next year and wet sanding it. That's not always recommended as the sanding process tends to really open the pores of the gel coat and can actually speed up the oxidation process, but on something this old and in this rough shape that's sort of a moot point.

                          Thanks for all the positive feedback! We've been wanting to do a boat write up for quite a while so it was nice to finally get this together, and your responses tell us it was a good idea overall!
                          Michael Stoops
                          Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                          Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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                          • #14
                            Re: 1979 Ski Supreme ski boat - back from Davey Jones' Locker

                            Originally posted by Michael Stoops View Post
                            If you want to go this route on leather it's probably best you only do it for very light maintenance cleaning and dressing. Use a finishing pad and set the tool to the lowest speed and just gently work the product in. What you do NOT want to do is use a polishing pad on a higher speed for deep cleaning really dirty leather. At that point you run the risk of getting overly aggressive/abrasive with the surface and you could rapidly degrade the clear coat on the leather. That surface is not intended to be worked on with anything abrasive and although a typical leather cleaner/conditioner is not abrasive, a polishing pad spinning at speed is. We don't technically recommend this process, so if you choose to try it just proceed with caution. Remember, common sense is your friend.

                            We didn't really do anything for the diamond plate or the trailer itself, other than a simple wipe down, as most of it was just too far gone. We did dress all the interior vinyl though.

                            It's common for guys to jack the boat up off the trailer a bit, work on those areas and then drop the boat back onto the trailer. We did not have the equipment needed for that, but all of those areas are below the water line and we weren't going for a true hardcore restoration here.

                            We do expect the gel to fade back pretty severely in as little as a year, especially if the owner doesn't do much maintenance to it. Heck, we're already toying with the idea of bringing it back next year and wet sanding it. That's not always recommended as the sanding process tends to really open the pores of the gel coat and can actually speed up the oxidation process, but on something this old and in this rough shape that's sort of a moot point.

                            Thanks for all the positive feedback! We've been wanting to do a boat write up for quite a while so it was nice to finally get this together, and your responses tell us it was a good idea overall!

                            Mike can you elaborate on this a little more? I've never wet sanded a boat (gel coat) before but one would think that removing the top oxidized layer and exposing fresh gel coat would almost make it like new, no? Or does severe oxidation typically just penetrate so deep that the entire gel coat becomes weakened?
                            Rasky's Auto Detailing

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                            • #15
                              Re: 1979 Ski Supreme ski boat - back from Davey Jones' Locker

                              Originally posted by RaskyR1 View Post
                              Mike can you elaborate on this a little more? I've never wet sanded a boat (gel coat) before but one would think that removing the top oxidized layer and exposing fresh gel coat would almost make it like new, no? Or does severe oxidation typically just penetrate so deep that the entire gel coat becomes weakened?
                              Sanding of the dead, oxidized surface will indeed reveal a much nicer looking finish below. But that's only part of the story. Gel coat is much more porous than automotive paint, and sanding it tends to just open the pores up even more. The more open the pores, the more the surface is prone to oxidation. It can become a viscous cycle if you're not careful.
                              Michael Stoops
                              Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                              Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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