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    Re: The Challenge of Delicate Paint

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    Then box them back up and put them on the shelf until the next vehicle!
    But we like to think "outside the box" - otherwise how would we figure out what product to use on uncooperative paint?
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    Re: The Challenge of Delicate Paint

    Dang....I hate those kind of come backs!
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    Re: The Challenge of Delicate Paint

    Michael,
    Serious question on doing test spots. Do you typically do test spots by hand or by (say) DA if that's the method you're going to use? Or do you do a TS always by hand to get a better idea of what product to use? If by hand is the case, do you then follow that method (by hand) with a DA and pad/product test? In "most" show and tell I have seen, it seems by hand method is what is used to perform the ts.

    I guess what I am looking for is what method to best use for a test spot. I rarely do any job by hand and wonder if doing a DA ts is best if that's the method that will be used to do the vehicle. I have always done my ts's by DA/PAD/Product.

    Hope that's not too confusing.
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    Re: The Challenge of Delicate Paint

    Don, you should do your test spot with the tools you'll be using otherwise you aren't giving the paint or process a fair shake. The whole idea of a test spot is to dial in a product/process that will give repeatable results over the entire vehicle.

    We once worked on a Ferrari 512BBi with original single stage paint dating back to the early/mid 1980s and it was just stupid delicate. Even M07 by hand left it looking hazy - go figure. We did so many test areas that we were running out of room on the hood!! If memory serves, the time spent trying to figure out a process took almost as long as buffing out the whole car!

    It should be stressed, though, that super delicate paint isn't all that terribly common. Personally, this Honda and a couple of other Honda Fits that I've worked on, plus the Cobra linked to in the article and that Ferrari were the only cars I've worked on that were this delicate. Having worked on them though, I now have a good starting point reference when presented with something might be very delicate. Instead of starting my test spot with UC (which, honestly, in most cases is going to correct the vast majority of issues on the vast majority of paints) I'll drop down to M205 or M80. Maybe even start off with a finishing pad just to see how the paint responds.

    Joe Fernandez of Superior Shine has the tag line "I am the paint whisperer." under his avatar here on MOL. That's really not too far off - the paint will tell you what it needs, you just have to listen. Your test spot is that initial interview with the paint to find out what it wants and needs. Corny as that sounds, it's true.

    The good news is that most of the time you can get the job done with just a few likely combinations of products/processes. It's the head scratchers that cause frustration and take so much time to dial in.
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    Re: The Challenge of Delicate Paint

    Thanks Michael. I appreciate the return.

    I do just that. If a DA is to be used, that's what I use for the test spot...if a rotary is to be used (RARE), that's what I dial in on. This latest post had just got me to thinking (in conjunction with others I've seen) that maybe I was missig out on something by doing a ts by hand/applicator.

    Cleared up my question very well. Thanks again.
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    Re: The Challenge of Delicate Paint

    ill try and keep it brief, i have checed forums without success...
    so here goes, i have a vw bora need to keep it clean and want a stunning finish.
    i need to buy new meguairs products
    i have clay and quick detailer, but am waiting on 7 show car polish, 26 or 16 wax, scratch x to remove swirls plast x for dull headlights. this will all be done by hand as i have no machinebuffer. question is, i dont seem to know best way to start? should i use deatailer and clay before scratch x or after and then show car no.7 then 26 and then 16? some assistance in the best order to use these products would help. i need to clean car remove the scratches and then polish up to a deep glossy shine. help greatly recieved the order and what to use.

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    Re: The Challenge of Delicate Paint

    Fingermouse, please do not post the same message in multiple threads. Thanks.
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    Re: The Challenge of Delicate Paint

    I just detailed a black 2008 Honda CRV. I used the Flex DA, LC black finishing pad with 205. The paint is really soft. 4 peas of 205 is more than enough for 2X2ft. After the initial spread (1-2 passes) with pressure, I had to use a pad brush to remove 205 then 3-4 passes. Along the way, brushing the pad and lifting the DA as it moves across the paint. This brought about a super shine (5-6 passes). The sheer weight of the Flex seems too much for the paint. That's delicate paint.

    PS: All done is setting 1 on DA. Beat that.

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    Re: The Challenge of Delicate Paint

    Quote Originally Posted by Keefe View Post
    I just detailed a black 2008 Honda CRV. I used the Flex DA, LC black finishing pad with 205. The paint is really soft. 4 peas of 205 is more than enough for 2X2ft. After the initial spread (1-2 passes) with pressure, I had to use a pad brush to remove 205 then 3-4 passes. Along the way, brushing the pad and lifting the DA as it moves across the paint. This brought about a super shine (5-6 passes). The sheer weight of the Flex seems too much for the paint. That's delicate paint.

    PS: All done is setting 1 on DA. Beat that.
    Nicely done! So many people would have reached for M105 and a polishing pad and used a lot of speed to remove swirls and cobwebs from that car, and then come back here and complained that M105 wasn't working because the finish would be all hazed up.
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    Re: The Challenge of Delicate Paint

    Does Meguiars sell the S3HP hand pad. That thing looks awsome. Would like to have that in my detailing collection.

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