Using Meguiar's D/A Microfiber Correction System

[Barry_Theal]

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Mr Stoops,

Outstanding reveiw and write up. Wow I'll bet that London looked great in person. It was in the hands of to great men. I have the chance to use the D/A system. I was one of the lucky few that was choosen to use it. While there will be many great reveiws and write ups coming. I would like to ad a little to one thing we have noticed at my shop. On average we do anywhere from 40 to 60 cars a week. Since my last batch was sent. Alittle over three weeks ago. One thing has surprised me. How long these pads last. I have trained 3 gentleman on the Kevin Brown Method using this system and its been insane so far. We have been using the same 12 pads over the last 130 some cars. Yes that number is write. 6pads for sompounding and 6 pads for polishing. Meguairs has been a blessing to both my business and employees. Thanks Gentleman!

[Michael Stoops]

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Definately a bit simplistic of an observation, but if I am using M105/M205 on a DA now, then following up with M21, this system will be similar in steps, and varied in pads/products and defect removing ability?

I understand that this system is a significant step for the DA and user, but are some severe defects still best to be handled with a rotary? (ie outside the parameters of the Microfibre system) Talking more from a pro point, versus a "general" enthusiast.

If currently using M105/M205/M21 with a DA, the biggest difference you'll notice with this system is the almost total absence of dust, even with the compound step. You will also find wipe off to be a total breeze the vast majority of the time, again even with the compound - finishing wax removal is just absurdly easy!

Our field testers have told us that in cases of very severe defects they have used a rotary with wool pad and M105 for initial cut and then substituted this system for rotary polishing and DA wax application.

[Michael Stoops]

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Mr Stoops,

Outstanding reveiw and write up. Wow I'll bet that London looked great in person. It was in the hands of to great men. I have the chance to use the D/A system. I was one of the lucky few that was choosen to use it. While there will be many great reveiws and write ups coming. I would like to ad a little to one thing we have noticed at my shop. On average we do anywhere from 40 to 60 cars a week. Since my last batch was sent. Alittle over three weeks ago. One thing has surprised me. How long these pads last. I have trained 3 gentleman on the Kevin Brown Method using this system and its been insane so far. We have been using the same 12 pads over the last 130 some cars. Yes that number is write. 6pads for sompounding and 6 pads for polishing. Meguairs has been a blessing to both my business and employees. Thanks Gentleman!

Thanks for bringing this up, Barry. Yes, we are very pleased with the durability of these pads. Compared to another popular long fingered, non-foam pad (and we don't mean wool!) there really is no comparison at all!

[Michael Stoops]

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So it appears that cleaning the pads VERY often is the key to the system being successful. From what I have read, it seems like the cleaning, either with a brush or compressed air, is more for the purpose of fluffing the fibers, as opposed to actually removing product from the pad.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't a brush and compressed air not remove too much product as compared to how you would traditionally clean a foam pad on the fly? So what I'm wondering is if we need to change out the microfiber pads when buffing out an entire car due to product build up?

Perhaps we don't have to change the pads out because the system uses such little product and the constant cleaning/fluffing of the pad is enough to keep it clean? I look forward to your response!

You're definitely on the right track, Andrew, but allow us to clarify. Microfiber is great at hanging to stuff, which is part of what makes microfiber towels so great. But this same feature can be a negative if you aren't cleaning the pads very regularly. If the product is allowed to dry and start clumping or building up, you can start to get tiny hard pieces that could create pigtails in the buffing process. This is why overuse of the product is definitely something to avoid. A very little bit goes a very long way, so once the pad is primed properly it will remain so, and no more than 4 or 5 pea sized drops are all that's needed for the next section. Cleaning serves to both fluff up the fibers, clear out excess product and paint particulates, and any stray bits of whatever you may have picked up. Honestly, unless you're working on a less than spotless surface, or picking up some fine debris from panel edges that weren't well washed, you may very well use a single pad of each type per vehicle.

[Selectchoice]

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Our field testers have told us that in cases of very severe defects they have used a rotary with wool pad and M105 for initial cut and then substituted this system for rotary polishing and DA wax application.

That's what I figured. I seem to be lucky (or unlucky) enough to see cars with severe defects more than my share of the time.

How does the DA Compound react on drier paints? I had a dealer car with me a few weeks ago that literally drank M105 (used the rotary and W4000/W7000) and was just generally unpleasant to work with. I had to resort to M84/M80 and it helped a lot in that case. Just wondering if this new product/pad combo fared any better.

(Sorry for the million questions....)

[Michael Stoops]

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How does the DA Compound react on drier paints? I had a dealer car with me a few weeks ago that literally drank M105 (used the rotary and W4000/W7000) and was just generally unpleasant to work with. I had to resort to M84/M80 and it helped a lot in that case. Just wondering if this new product/pad combo fared any better.

(Sorry for the million questions....)

No need to apologize - if nobody asked questions I wouldn't have a job!

Those badly dried out paints can just be problematic no matter what, and they like an oily product to help with lubrication. D300 should be better in this regard than M105, but it's still going to have its limits. Obviously it's darn near impossible to just say "use this product/pad on this paint and that product/pad on that paint" as each case is unique. But we've used this on delicate paint, very hard paint, brand new factory paint, old factory paint, and even aftermarket single stage and, with a few technique adjustments here and there, gotten excellent results across the board.

[Selectchoice]

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No need to apologize - if nobody asked questions I wouldn't have a job!

Those badly dried out paints can just be problematic no matter what, and they like an oily product to help with lubrication. D300 should be better in this regard than M105, but it's still going to have its limits. Obviously it's darn near impossible to just say "use this product/pad on this paint and that product/pad on that paint" as each case is unique. But we've used this on delicate paint, very hard paint, brand new factory paint, old factory paint, and even aftermarket single stage and, with a few technique adjustments here and there, gotten excellent results across the board.

Glad I am keeping you safely employed!

Dried out, and only 2 years old! Poor thing had suffered a very hard life... I understand about the variability on each and every vehicle. People on MOL often talk of a particular manufacturer's paint being hard or soft and the workability of such, but each and every car, even within in the same make and model can vary, just depending on the treatment it has endured. It must give you guys a headache trying to develop products to cover all bases!

[HCAD]

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Definitely a turning point for the detailing world. Write this date down in your diary. I'm looking forward to all the reviews while I anxiously work through all of my existing pads and product.

[CieraSL]

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Gosh! I may have to try this! Question though. The compound and compounding pads are really what I'm interested in. Can you do this process: use the compound with the microfiber compounding pad, use a finishing polish such as M205 or Menzerna Nano polish with a regular foam pad, then follow up with the wax or sealant of choice? Will you get less impressive results than if you followed up with the finishing wax? Also, when you cleaned the pad using compressed air, did you turn the machine on or leave it off? I assume you turned it on?

[Marc08EX]

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Finally this system is out! Thanks for the in-depth how-to write-up Mike! This will really help people learn how to use the product. I'm excited to get my hands on this system! It seems that removing swirls will be a breeze! That correction job on your niece's Corolla was fantastic especially completing it at 3 hours!

I also can't believe how compress air removes the spent product or paint from doing that single stage london cab!!!

Great job Meguiar's! You guys will put all rotaries to retirement hahaha!

[Woodie6250]

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Thanks for the detailed write up Mike.

I was fortunate enough to be allowed to try the system out by the local distributor using their pre-production sample. To say that I was blown away is an understatement. Yes, there is a slight learning curve as you adjust your technique, but once you're over that it's like being given a magic wand.

The biggest benefits for me were the long, dust free working time, ease of wipe off and excellent defect removal.

One question I do have - the G220V2 comes with the W68DA backing plate. I used this together with the DMC6 pad. Do you foresee any problems with this combo?

[wifpd4]

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Has anyone tried the D/A MFCS on a clear bra? Or like decals or stripes, don't do it.

[Alfisti]

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Michael, invariably people will try these new pads with different compounds/finishing polishes, be they Megs other polishes or other brands.

Any comments on what they should expect if they try this?

[David Fermani]

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Michael, invariably people will try these new pads with different compounds/finishing polishes, be they Megs other polishes or other brands.

Any comments on what they should expect if they try this?

I find them to work great with other products.

[Michael Stoops]

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Gosh! I may have to try this! Question though. The compound and compounding pads are really what I'm interested in. Can you do this process: use the compound with the microfiber compounding pad, use a finishing polish such as M205 or Menzerna Nano polish with a regular foam pad, then follow up with the wax or sealant of choice? Will you get less impressive results than if you followed up with the finishing wax? Also, when you cleaned the pad using compressed air, did you turn the machine on or leave it off? I assume you turned it on?

Absolutely you can do this. If you've got a favorite polish and/or wax that you'd rather use, go for it. The Finishing Wax in this system is designed to do multiple things: remove hazing from the compounding step, refine the finish and add gloss, offer protection, and do it all in a single, very fast step. That's huge for volume reconditioning shops, but if you're detailing and charging premium dollars, then extra steps are almost mandatory.