Introducing our new DA Microfiber Correction System

[dc2_]

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so why is it that we apply less compound on this mf system? and also speed 4 not 5. does this give more cut then say using a polishing pad with UC?

[OhioCarBuff]

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Joe you stated this system is designed for factory applied paint- does this mean it won't work or shouldn't be used for panels and/or entire cars with aftermarket paint jobs?

Sorry, it wasn't Joe that said that, it was Mike. This is exactly what it says "designed specifically for factory applied paint"

[OhioCarBuff]

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Sorry, it wasn't Joe that said that, it was Mike. This is exactly what it says "designed specifically for factory applied paint"

[Ravi_1992]

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awe man , i want those pads now. Can m105 and m205 be use with these new pads? or do you do have to use those specific products.

[juliom2]

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Innovative Approach from Meguias R&D......

[Markus Kleis]

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Joe you stated this system is designed for factory applied paint- does this mean it won't work or shouldn't be used for panels and/or entire cars with aftermarket paint jobs?

Sorry, it wasn't Joe that said that, it was Mike. This is exactly what it says "designed specifically for factory applied paint"

What it means is that the products were developed with OE paint in mind, now, that said, it doesn't just magically mean it won't work on aftermarket paint - it's just more likely that you may run into performance issues.

In a nutshell, you can try it on basically any automotive paint type except a matte finish, but your experiences will vary case by case, even with factory paint.

[Michael Stoops]

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so why is it that we apply less compound on this mf system? and also speed 4 not 5. does this give more cut then say using a polishing pad with UC?

The microfiber disc itself offers a good deal of cut, so coupled with a small amount of product you get some serious defect removing capabilities. Remember, we're talking about SMAT abrasives here, so they don't break down like a diminishing abrasive. That means they maintain their cutting ability for essentially the entire buffing cycle. Using too much product simply creates problems with it drying out, slinging, clumping in the microfiber threads, gumming up, etc. Once the pad is primed it will remain primed, and adding just a few drops of product is sufficient to replace that which is removed during the regular cleaning process. That very regular cleaning process is critically important, so don't skip it. Getting lazy and avoiding it will only result in even the small amounts of product added to start building up, and that will eventually lead to over use and all the issues stated above. It takes just a matter of seconds to clean the pad after each section, so get in the habit.

As for the speed settings, speed 4 actually creates noticeably less feedback to the operator than speed 5, so we engineered both the liquids and discs to give optimum performance without beating up the operator. If you find you need more cut, rather than increasing the speed of the tool simply increase the amount of pressure you apply and/or slow down your arm speed and just go very slowly over the paint.

Joe you stated this system is designed for factory applied paint- does this mean it won't work or shouldn't be used for panels and/or entire cars with aftermarket paint jobs?

Sorry, it wasn't Joe that said that, it was Mike. This is exactly what it says "designed specifically for factory applied paint"

As Mark points out, the system is targeted for factory cured paint, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to use it on a respray. In fact, in our how-to write up on the system we followed up with a variety of vehicles, including that repainted (single stage, no less) London Cab and it worked great. The reason we don't directly recommend it for use on aftermarket paint is because of the vast differences in those paint systems - even greater than those of factory paints. We can't state a high enough success rate to recommend it for that use - but we know people love to experiment with detailing products, so if you do and it works great then, well, great! But if doesn't live up to your expectations, well, we won't come right out and say we told you so, but you get the idea.

awe man , i want those pads now. Can m105 and m205 be use with these new pads? or do you do have to use those specific products.

Yes, you can use other liquids with these pads, but if you understand how these liquids and pads were specifically engineered to work together to provide the results they do, you'd definitely want to give the liquids a fair shot. As we've stated elsewhere in these discussions, some reviewers are showing the removal of sanding marks with the D300 Compound and Microfiber Cutting Disc - how often do you need more cut than that? Besides, M105 is going to create a lot more dust than D300 (which generates almost zero dust) and likely won't be as easy to wipe off as D300 (which often wipes off about as easily as a properly applied sealant!).

[Alfisti]

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As for the speed settings, speed 4 actually creates noticeably less feedback to the operator than speed 5, so we engineered both the liquids and discs to give optimum performance without beating up the operator.

1) What would happen if someone erroneously used a higher speed?

2) Or if, like myself, someone uses a Makita BO6040 with forced rotation which is a RO machine but with a more aggressive cutting action - a sort of semi-rotary?

3) Or if someone uses a rotary for that matter?

Sorry for all the questions.

[OhioCarBuff]

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I still use the DA I purchased from Meguiars back in '99 (I think it may be a G100), would I use this on speed setting 4 for the compound and 3 for finishing wax, or should it be a higher speed because the newer machines are more powerful?

Also do we not need to use separate pads for each panel like we do with the foam pads due to the foam not working as well once it gets too wet? (this is assuming we do the proper cleaning with the pad conditioner brush

One more thing, do we need to get a special backing pad?

[Michael Stoops]

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1) What would happen if someone erroneously used a higher speed?

2) Or if, like myself, someone uses a Makita BO6040 with forced rotation which is a RO machine but with a more aggressive cutting action - a sort of semi-rotary?

3) Or if someone uses a rotary for that matter?

Sorry for all the questions.

1) A higher speed may give you a bit more cut, but probably more haze and a lot more vibration as well. Better to stick to 4800 opm and slow down your arm speed over the paint and/or increase pressure

2) Forced rotation tools, including the Flex, will give more cut but a lot more hazing too. That's not really a problem, per se, unless the paint is extremely delicate and you need to spend more time pulling out severe haze. But that should very, very rare.

3) Yeah, don't do this. Very fast cut, very high level of haze. We've said plenty of times that we're OK with people experimenting with products and processes, but that we'd also tell you when/if something is seriously not a good idea. This is one of those times - don't bother.

[Alfisti]

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Thanks for quick response and informative answers.

2) Forced rotation tools, including the Flex, will give more cut but a lot more hazing too. That's not really a problem, per se, unless the paint is extremely delicate and you need to spend more time pulling out severe haze. But that should very, very rare.

Then, should forced rotation users use a slightly slower speed to reduce hazing?

[Michael Stoops]

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I still use the DA I purchased from Meguiars back in '99 (I think it may be a G100), would I use this on speed setting 4 for the compound and 3 for finishing wax, or should it be a higher speed because the newer machines are more powerful?

Also do we not need to use separate pads for each panel like we do with the foam pads due to the foam not working as well once it gets too wet? (this is assuming we do the proper cleaning with the pad conditioner brush

One more thing, do we need to get a special backing pad?

If you have a G100/Porter Cable 7424 you'll want to run at speed 5 since that works out to 4750 opm and the target speed for this system is 4800 opm for the cutting disc/compound. Drop down to speed 4 for the finishing wax/finishing disc.

You can do the whole car with a single pad, provided you are very diligent about keeping the pad clean and not over using product. These two things are going to be the biggest challenges for people used to foam exclusively, and especially for those who are prone to overusing product (you know who you are!).

Since you have a G100 you've most likely got the right backing plate already - the W67DA, which is smaller and flatter than the W68DA designed for use with our Soft Buff 2.0 foam pads and currently shipping with the G110v2. Stick with the "old style" backing plate for use with the 5.5" discs.

[Michael Stoops]

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Thanks for quick response and informative answers.



Then, should forced rotation users use a slightly slower speed to reduce hazing?

No, because you'll lose cut. You're better of maintaining the cut and cleaning up the haze after rather than do multiple passes (and maybe not get the full result) and still have to clean up the haze. Don't let this put you off from the system - it still works great on the Flex and similar tools. Now, if these tools utilized the 5.5" rather than the 6" pads you might have more of an issue, but moving up to the slightly larger pad alleviates much of the potential issue.

[Mister B]

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Since you have a G100 you've most likely got the right backing plate already - the W67DA, which is smaller and flatter than the W68DA designed for use with our Soft Buff 2.0 foam pads and currently shipping with the G110v2. Stick with the "old style" backing plate for use with the 5.5" discs.

I have been using a Mirka 5" backing pad with my old G100 and my new PC7424XP for years now. Will this backing plate be OK for use with the new DA system or is the W67DA that much different to warrant me purchasing it for use with the new pads?

This is the current Mirka 5" Backing Pad that I use.

– 5/16" no holes Velcro Medium
– Code: 82951915111

[RDVT4ME]

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1) What would happen if someone erroneously used a higher speed?

I used an earlier version of this pad at speed 6 and it melted the microfiber pad, interface pad and backing plate together.... a real mess... so I would suggest following the guidelines from Meguiars.