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[rapport25]

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I dont have a problem taking the time as long as I know im using the right products for the right purpose in the right order.. frustrating wasting time and moneyw itht he wrong products... i think it might be the microfiber as much as anything. i think my paint is so soft applying anything with microfiber is out of the question.. i guess i could invest in a good buffer but money is tight now.. just spent about 12k in audio in this thing and im tapped.. anyone know any good buffer/pad combos that are wellw oerth the money?

I would not apply anything with a microfibre. Simply use a foam pad to apply products and a microfibre to remove.

I would suggest a d/a and some pads. But as money is tight. Just stick to the basics.

Firstly I would clay the car.

If I was applying by hand and had soft paint there is a few steps I would follow.

Using a soft foam megs pad. Apply in back and forth motions not circular Front to back of the car not side to side. Wipe of residue with a microfibre.

Repeat the process on your sample area untill its swirl free. I would start with Swirl X or Ultimate polish.

To finish apply a wax in a circular motion.

Pics would be a big help

[outsideshot23]

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Theres hundreds of good pad and product combos out there.

But you wont know how well any of them will work until you start using it on the surface of the truck.

A PCXP and/or G110 & a good assortment of pads & products will run you about $350 - $500. Maybe more depending on what you want and where you buy.

Just so you know the products you recently bought and have on hand are not a waste of money as they most likely could still be used on their own or with a combination of other products.

I understand your frustrated but I just do not think your getting the fact that it may be your technique and not the products that is the problem, and I am not basing this statement solely on your "Mothers" comment in the other thread.

Why go out and spend more money on more products when what you currently have just may work when used properly.

like i said that very well may be the case.. but no one has come out and said that what iw as doing was wrong or suggested any other way of doing things. like i have already said if someone gives me an idea i will be more then happy to try it. Im desperate at this point

[outsideshot23]

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I would not apply anything with a microfibre. Simply use a foam pad to apply products and a microfibre to remove.

I would suggest a d/a and some pads. But as money is tight. Just stick to the basics.

Firstly I would clay the car.

If I was applying by hand and had soft paint there is a few steps I would follow.

Using a soft foam megs pad. Apply in back and forth motions not circular Front to back of the car not side to side. Wipe of residue with a microfibre.

Repeat the process on your sample area untill its swirl free. I would start with Swirl X or Ultimate polish.

To finish apply a wax in a circular motion.

Pics would be a big help

thanks.. i have been using circular and side to side motions combined.. ill try to get some pics tomorrow.. sun is going down.. and i made a trip to the liquor store.. ugh/.. the frustration is wearing off.. lol

[outsideshot23]

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Hi outsidershot23,

I just spoke with Brian Hann, a customer care specialist (he chimed in earlier in this thread as well). He is going to get in touch with you via private message and work with you to resolve your concerns.

Please hang tight while he contacts you. Hopefully we can get this figured out soon enough.

thanks

[rapport25]

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thanks.. i have been using circular and side to side motions combined.. ill try to get some pics tomorrow.. sun is going down.. and i made a trip to the liquor store.. ugh/.. the frustration is wearing off.. lol

That seems to be your problem. The light will reflect more on circular scratches than straight ones if that makes sense. By using a combo of a micro fibre and circular motions you could be putting swirls in.

Hope the great guys on this forum add more help and advise.

Rappy .

[Brian Hann]

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Hi outsidershot23,

I just spoke with Brian Hann, a customer care specialist (he chimed in earlier in this thread as well). He is going to get in touch with you via private message and work with you to resolve your concerns.

Please hang tight while he contacts you. Hopefully we can get this figured out soon enough.

outsidershot23,

Just sent you a PM.

[outsideshot23]

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would not let me call you.. said they were closed.. Im not interested in a refund if its my fault or the products are being used wrong.. just want my truck to look better. I was it very frequently but rarely wax or clay or anything but wipe it down so its in need of some care. and i just installed a huge spl setup in the bed and with the hundreds of hours i put into it there are scratches up and down the bed.. none are deep they can all be fixed just going to take some tlc.. just ready to get after it the right way.. look fwd to talking to you

[outsideshot23]

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talked to brian.. going to try starting over and using a foam maguires pad for application rather than microfiber.. just makes sense its the only commont hing and i keep getting the same result.. They are going to send me some free foam applicators so looking forward to starting over with a new idea and see if it doesnt work... thats for all the inputs

[CHzo6]

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What are the chances all these fine swirls/scratches were already there, and by cleaning the paint and removing any layer of wax you had on it before, you just made them more viewable? You say you wash it frequently? A bad washing technique will instill millions of little swirl marks on delicate paint.

[outsideshot23]

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What are the chances all these fine swirls/scratches were already there, and by cleaning the paint and removing any layer of wax you had on it before, you just made them more viewable? You say you wash it frequently? A bad washing technique will instill millions of little swirl marks on delicate paint.

not a chance.. had the truck 3 years it gets washed probably every other day.. they did not just appear.. and i dont hand wash.. i rarely touch anything to the paint.. I probly spend 50 at the car wash a week.. lol.. it doesnt get it it quite as clean but i spot free the hell out of it then dry it with micro fibre towels... its a daily driver and i have been doing alot of work on it lately.. but i know where evry chip/scrath is on this thing.. these did not exist until i started trying to get the few i had out

[wifpd4]

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What are the chances all these fine swirls/scratches were already there, and by cleaning the paint and removing any layer of wax you had on it before, you just made them more viewable? You say you wash it frequently? A bad washing technique will instill millions of little swirl marks on delicate paint.

Today I washed such a car, looked okay until I washed it. Found evidence of some sort of product that did a fine job hiding swirls. It was an absolute mess. So glad I had said wash, ColorX and wax only, with no corrective work.

not a chance.. had the truck 3 years it gets washed probably every other day.. they did not just appear.. and i dont hand wash.. i rarely touch anything to the paint.. I probly spend 50 at the car wash a week.. lol.. it doesnt get it it quite as clean but i spot free the hell out of it then dry it with micro fibre towels... its a daily driver and i have been doing alot of work on it lately.. but i know where evry chip/scrath is on this thing.. these did not exist until i started trying to get the few i had out

Outsideshot what is "spot free". What sort of wax do you use to hold up to all that washing? And you're talking about an unattended touchless car wash?? You mentioned "Mothers" in one of your other posts, what Mother's product(s) are you using?

[outsideshot23]

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I wish people would read all of the thread before asking questions. Have you never washed your car in a car wash.. i wont even wash it if they dont have spot free.. i presoak twice, wash/soap, rinse twice, and spot free at least twice or its worthless to wash.. then wipe it down.. i have been using the nxt tech wax 2.0 and it does a good job but its just hiding the imperfections i would liek fixed

[wifpd4]

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I wish people would read all of the thread before asking questions...

Oh gosh, I so know what you mean...

I usually ask questions to clarify what someone has said or request additional information to help me understand something.

Like when you said car wash, I wasn't sure if you meant manual or automatic. If you meant automatic, did you mean touching or touchless. If you meant touching, did you mean the tunnel kind where you pull up and some guy/gal takes a brush and scrubs on the bugs off my front bumper, goes over the windshield and then does my tires with the same brush. Then I ride the car through the tunnel and either whirling brushes or slapping foam strips clean the car after being sprayed with the miracle "tri-color foam". Or whether you meant a tunnel wash where you get out of the car and the car "rides the rails" through a touching machine and some kid at the end of the tunnel takes a terry cloth towel and wipes down my car after using the same towel he just wipe down your truck.

I wasn't sure you meant a drive in and park car wash and this lame arm sprays a bunch of semi-useless chemicals all over my car and I drive out through a blower that moves the water back and forth and never dries the car.

I wasn't sure you meant you go to a manual car wash and spray a bunch of chemicals over your car and think the car or truck is clean or whether you meant you went to manual car wash and took your own buckets of high quality automotive soap and high quality mitt and hand washed your truck and then used a low pressure rinse cycle which may consist of just filtered water that came out of floor drain below the truck you just washed or whether they truly add a surfactant to lessen water spots.

You mentioned drying the car with a microfiber, I really wasn't sure if you meant a microfiber detailing cloth or a waffle weave drying towel or even if you meant a synthetic chamois. I'm sure you'll set me straight.

After only being on this forum for about a year, I'm still easily confused and continue to hammer away with questions until I understand the situation as it may help me with how I maintain my wife's car, which will ultimately lead to peace and harmony in my household.

So my asking questions, may be more for my edification than actually helping you.

Have you never washed your car in a car wash.. i wont even wash it if they dont have spot free.. i presoak twice, wash/soap, rinse twice, and spot free at least twice or its worthless to wash.. then wipe it down.. i have been using the nxt tech wax 2.0 and it does a good job but its just hiding the imperfections i would liek fixed

Oddly enough I have used a manual/automatic/touching/touchless car wash(es), but in the land of salt and liquid chloride, tree sap, pollen and dust from corn fields, I rarely think my not washing the car by hand gets it truly clean.

There's a great group of folks that hang around here and they will be able to determine if you're really getting your truck clean or just marring up the finish when you "wipe it down". Just post some photographs and please be thorough when you explain your technique. Some of us need a bit more explanation than most folks.

But be forewarned...I'll ask some questions, because that's what I do.

[wifpd4]

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Oh by the way, don't forget to enter the give-away. There's always a chance to win some Meguiar's products to help maintain your truck once you get it the way you like it.

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48839

[outsideshot23]

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ya its touchless i usually go to.. but my truck rarely gets dirty so lately i have been going just to knock the pollen off.. just a good rinse and a couple spot free rinses... and i dry with micro fiber detailing cloth..sometimes i just take off going down the highway about 80 and it does the trick.. lol.. but living in the city in an apt omplex.. water hoses are few and far between and washing the truck myself is out of the question.. and even at the car wash sometimes i manually wash but these are packed ALL the time and i dont want to hold people up