A question?

[3Fitty]

Re: A question?

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This is not exactly "the world is round" type of argument. Take Bill's product (but get him to send you a sample so as not to support gorilla style marketing), dump some sand in a bucket with no grit guard. At soap, mix thoroughly and wash your car. Make sure your car is swirl free before you start.

Do you think that is a fair test to dump sand in the bucket? I do not. What I would
suggest is taking Dawn soap from bottle, and pouring it on a wash mit. Wet the vehicle ,and scrub the paint to clean it.

No, the claim is that this super-duper product prevents swirls on the clearcoat. At least one cause of swirls is particles of dirt rolling across the surface of the paint while washing.

So, fine, we don't need a pile of sand... I'll go with a pinch of sand right on a wet grout sponge over the paint. Surely your miracle product can hold up to a "pinch" of sand on a grout sponge, no?

[wifpd4]

Re: A question?

Here's my disclaimer: I'm not, have not been, nor ever will be an engineer of any sort. I did glance over the NASA report and found these comments of interest. The three paragraphs are extracted from various locations in the report and should not be construed as the summary of the report. Read it for yourself.

Treatment is a two step process involving application of a liquid cleaner ( “Logisti-Prep”) and a liquid sealant ( “Logisi-Seal”) both using a hand-operated, orbital buffer with soft cloth bonnets.

If the drag reduction results are valid, the most likely reason is a small reduction in surface roughness due to the cleaning/buffing procedure.
– The possibility of a direct molecular (nano-scale) effect of the sealant on the no-slip condition is extremely remote but cannot be ruled out completely due to the complexity of gas-surface interactions and our incomplete knowledge thereof.
– Anti-fouling properties of the treated surface may contribute to maintaining low roughness in operation.

The previously observed 0.63% fuel consumption reduction in flight is consistent with a reduction in borderline roughness heights, most likely due to the Logisti-Prep and Logisti-Seal buffing portions of the application.

I thought it was interesting the reduction in drag was possibly due to....buffing.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: A question?

Geez, I get pulled away for a couple days of media presentations/articles and this happens. Wow.

Todd, you could teach an advanced course in the hows and whys of paint defects and their correction. Beautiful information that should make all of this crystal clear to anyone. Or at least anyone without an agenda or just looking to stir trouble.

Bill, you started this thread sounding quite innocent about all this, and then reveal your true self - someone who's basically hawking a particular product and refusing to listen to anything anyone else has to say, while offering up what amounts to almost contradictory information yourself.

Example:

You are correct that I have to reapply the protect once a year, but there is a huge difference that you are not aware of. First, I do not have to strip the product to
reapply it because you can layer this product. Second, correction is rarely needed
on cars that are treated when new.

If it bonds, and you can layer it, why do you have to reapply every year?

We know we won't get a straight answer from you on this, and quite frankly we'd like to end this discussion right here and now. It is painfully obvious that you steadfastly believe what you believe, and that everyone else here (and apparently on every other detailing forum on the good ol' world wide web, for that matter) seems to be on the other side of the fence - happily hanging out together, removing swirls that were inflicted by bad automatic car washes, dirty towels, and other incorrect washing methods. Regardless of what wax, sealant, polish, etc they've applied recently, or long, long ago.

So we are closing this thread at this point, and we don't want to hear any more about this elsewhere on MOL. Starting a new thread to bring up the same topic isn't going to help your cause.