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    Pictures from July 23rd, 2011 - Saturday Open Class


    What a great group we had over the weekend - thanks for making my job so much fun!!!

    We had a little twist on things this time around; we usually select a car that one of the class attendees drove in so that we can demo both hand application and DA application process for swirl removal and then talk to the other attendees about some isolated issues they may have. While we did that, we also rolled a second car into the garage because of the horrific level of holograms present thanks to the dealer doing a bit of touch up - we just couldn't resist this extra bit of challenge. You see, the car in question is a brand spanking new Audi TT in non metallic black, and all over the good ol' Interwebs we read about how incredibly hard Audi paint is, how difficult it is to correct, etc. More on that later.

    First, let's run down the regular demo we did following the classroom portion of the day.

    This is the condition of the hood on a 3 Series BMW that's just a few years old. Not the worst we've seen, but bad enough for a non metallic black car.



    After removing all the loose contaminants we felt the presence of some bonded contaminants, so we clayed the hood before going any further.



    Once the bonded contaminants were gone the paint was already looking a bit more glossy.



    On with the next step - the fun part of removing swirls in order to give the paint that clear, glossy look we all want in our vehicles. After taping off a section of the hood to give us an area for hand application and DA application, we set to work. As per our usual process, we started with Ultimate Compound, followed with Ultimate Polish and finished with Ultimate Liquid Wax.

    Here, the initial application of UC is worked against the paint.



    People are often surprised to see just how little wax we apply, so it's fun to take someone who admits to having a tough time wiping the hazed wax off their own car and letting them wipe off our demo application. A big grin is a typical reaction here!



    Following that exercise (and, yes, hand removal of swirls from an entire vehicle can be considered exercise!) we moved on to DA application. We used the same three products, Ultimate Compound, Polish and Liquid Wax.



    Pad selection, tool speed, arm speed, cord placement and other fine points are critical to proper buffing. Technique is key as even the best product in the world can't do the job without your help.



    UC is applied first using a W8207 Soft Buff 2.0 foam polishing pad mounted to a G110v2 DA buffer set at speed 5.



    Following the UC application and removal we swapped over to a W9207 Soft Buff 2.0 foam finishing pad for application of Ultimate Polish, then a fresh W9207 for application of Ultimate Liquid Wax. The end result?

    On the left is the hand applied test section, on the right the G110v2 test section.



    This shot isolates the G110v2 test spot. There is some pitting present that the owner is going to have to live with, but the swirls, water spots and other defects are gone and the paint looks deeper, richer and even blacker than the rest of the hood.



    At this point we roll the car back into the garage and let the attendees have a go with the DA as we provide assistance along the way.











    With the demo completed and the attendees getting familiar with the G110v2, we turn our attention back to the Audi and those nasty holograms.

    Here's the rear quarter panel of the TT. Since this and the rear spoiler were the only impacted areas it wasn't really suitable for our demo car, but for a little experiment it would do nicely.



    Pretty spectacular, isn't it?



    Now, some people might go straight for M105 and a small pad because they've read about Audi's having crazy hard paint. But we wanted to see how it responded to our typical classroom demo of Ultimate Compound, W8207 foam polishing pad, G110v2 set at speed 5 and moderate (ie, "normal") pressure. So we taped off a section and set to it.



    We did just a single section pass using the above mentioned combination, and here's what we got after that single pass. Remember now, this is after a single pass UC only - no polish, no wax. Oh, and just for giggles, we did an IPA wipe down of the corrected area just to prove that we weren't merely filling in the holograms. We weren't.





    Of course we couldn't leave the car looking like that so we had the owner finish the quarter panel using the same product/pad/tool combo. He cleaned it all up, even though he'd never before used a buffer.



    So what's the lesson here? Well, it appears that not all Audis (or all BMWs for that matter) have such crazy hard paint and that you don't necessarily need anything extremely potent (liquid, pad or tool) to correct them. Now, we aren't saying that all Audi or BMW paint will respond like these two cars will, just that there are differences in paint systems even within a given brand. We have no doubt that some Audi paint can be quite hard, and we've personally worked on some BMWs with extremely hard paint. But they aren't all like that. Not even close.

    Bottom line - no matter what kind of car you have, and no matter what you've read online about the supposed hardness or softness of that paint, do a test spot first and find out for yourself. What you're reading online is someone else's experience on a different car.
    Michael Stoops
    Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

    Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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    Re: Pictures from July 23rd, 2011 - Saturday Open Class

    Wow I can't believe that Audi came out of the dealership like that!!! Those holograms were ridiculous! Great job on making the car look the way it's supposed to. I'm really impressed with the strength of Ultimate Compound via the g110v2 and the polishing pad.
    2011 Car Crazy Showcase SEMA Team

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    • #3
      Re: Pictures from July 23rd, 2011 - Saturday Open Class

      If someone could actually make a design out of the hologram....
      2017 Subaru WRX Premium - WR Blue

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        Re: Pictures from July 23rd, 2011 - Saturday Open Class

        Marc, this is the second brand new, black Audi we've had roll into our garage recently with this type of dealer installed holograms. The other was a gorgeous S5 that came to a recent TNOG and we got the same result with the same combo of UC/W8207/G110v2.
        Michael Stoops
        Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

        Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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        • #5
          Re: Pictures from July 23rd, 2011 - Saturday Open Class

          Mike, Thanks again for fixing my TT. I did not notice the hologram when I got it back from the dealer. I checked it in a shaded area. I saw the hologram the first time when it was under the sun light in your parking lot and it was really very visible. I enjoyed your class and it was very educational. I went to T____ to buy all the compounds that we used except for the Ultimate wax (not in stock) and washed my car for the first time since I bought it. Spent nearly 8 hours to finish the car by hand. I think the DA will cut the process. The DA worked really good and I'll buy one in the near future. I'm sure if I can afford a TT that I can buy a DA, hahahaha..I found another area with scratch and use the Ultimate Compound by hand. It disappeared after one pass. Incredible!! I bought the Gold Class Carnauba paste wax to finish off the car. The car looks like a show car after waxing. Is this compatible with my paint color or Do you still want me to try the Ultimate wax? Thanks also for the free breakfast and lunch!!

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            Re: Pictures from July 23rd, 2011 - Saturday Open Class

            Great job on two German luxury cars.

            Ultimate Compound to the rescue once (I mean twice) again.

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            • #7
              Re: Pictures from July 23rd, 2011 - Saturday Open Class

              Originally posted by reyed View Post
              Spent nearly 8 hours to finish the car by hand. I think the DA will cut the process. The DA worked really good and I'll buy one in the near future. I'm sure if I can afford a TT that I can buy a DA, hahahaha..I found another area with scratch and use the Ultimate Compound by hand. It disappeared after one pass. Incredible!!
              D/A polisher would make a big difference. When you get one you'll ask yourself: why I haven't got it earlier? (My case).
              Good job on going back to your TT and finishing everything up for a show car shine. Enjoy your new ride !!!
              Ultimate Compound is truly amazing paint cleaner. I'll reach for it very often.

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              • #8
                Re: Pictures from July 23rd, 2011 - Saturday Open Class

                Class was awesome, Michael kept it fun and learning that there is a leather cleaner out there that actually works made the day worth while.

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                • #9
                  Re: Pictures from July 23rd, 2011 - Saturday Open Class

                  Originally posted by Michael Stoops View Post
                  We did just a single section pass using the above mentioned combination, and here's what we got after that single pass. Remember now, this is after a single pass UC only - no polish, no wax. Oh, and just for giggles, we did an IPA wipe down of the corrected area just to prove that we weren't merely filling in the holograms.
                  So if I understand you correctly, Ultimate Compound/Swirl-X/Scratch-X is a cleaner not a polish? So Ultimate Polish is the only actual polish or is there something in your Detailer's Line or the Mirror Glaze Line?

                  Also, great right up. . . . . .its funny to see the people facial expression when they see just how great Meguiar's products are!!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pictures from July 23rd, 2011 - Saturday Open Class

                    Originally posted by The Dodge View Post
                    So if I understand you correctly, Ultimate Compound/Swirl-X/Scratch-X is a cleaner not a polish? So Ultimate Polish is the only actual polish or is there something in your Detailer's Line or the Mirror Glaze Line?

                    Also, great right up. . . . . .its funny to see the people facial expression when they see just how great Meguiar's products are!!
                    I think that all of those would be considered cleaner-polish because it has abrasives in it to remove surface defects and revitalize paint at the same time. The products you mentioned just have different levels of "cut" or the amount of abrasives in the liquid. When you say polish I think that's for the pure polishes such as M07 Show car glaze.

                    Please correct me if I'm wrong.
                    2011 Car Crazy Showcase SEMA Team

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                    • #11
                      Re: Pictures from July 23rd, 2011 - Saturday Open Class

                      Mike, I just wanted to say thank you for sharing your expertise and the awesome hospitality that Meguiars provided for the class. The experience to see and try different products was great! I gained an immense amount of knowledge and can't wait to get a D/A and product for my own vehicles. You and Meguiars are a class act.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Pictures from July 23rd, 2011 - Saturday Open Class

                        Originally posted by greg0303 View Post
                        Great job on two German luxury cars.

                        Ultimate Compound to the rescue once (I mean twice) again.
                        +1. Good job guys!
                        Practice doesn't make perfect, the dedication to achieve perfection makes perfect. "Smack"
                        2011 Jet Black 328i Touring
                        2007 Jet Black 335i Sedan

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                        • #13
                          Re: Pictures from July 23rd, 2011 - Saturday Open Class

                          I am brand new to the site and my Bimmer looks just like the one you guys took car of except a few more years of fading and scratches. I can't wait to get it looking like it should. Thanks for the encouragment.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Pictures from July 23rd, 2011 - Saturday Open Class

                            Originally posted by The Dodge View Post
                            So if I understand you correctly, Ultimate Compound/Swirl-X/Scratch-X is a cleaner not a polish? So Ultimate Polish is the only actual polish or is there something in your Detailer's Line or the Mirror Glaze Line?

                            Also, great right up. . . . . .its funny to see the people facial expression when they see just how great Meguiar's products are!!
                            Ultimate Compound is really more of a compound in the sense that it has very strong defect removing ability and very little, if any, real polish to it. SwirlX and ScratchX 2.0 are less aggressive in cleaning ability but both do contain some level of polish so they're more in the cleaner/polish group (similar to M80 and M83 in that regard). Ultimate Polish, being derived from M205 Ultra Finishing Polish, has some very fine abrasives but is heavy in polishing oils. So, technically, it's a cleaner polish too but not as aggressive as ScratchX 2.0 but offering polishing oils as rich as M80. In reality, UP offers less cut than M205 but more polishing oils.

                            Now, if you think all of that is confusing, remember that in the world of the average consumer they'll never know about the Mirror Glaze line since it's generally sharing shelf space with the consumer line. In the pro world the consumer line is rarely used because of the small(ish) packaging and lack of body shop safe products. It's only when you start getting into this world of enthusiast detailing like you are now (here on MOL and other detailing forums) where both lines get discussed side by side.
                            Michael Stoops
                            Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                            Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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