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    Does claying remove M21 sealant which have already bonded to the paint?

    Hi members,
    I know that claying remove wax but does claying remove M21 sealant which have already bonded to the paint? As i wish to wash and clay in order for me to put on ultimate wax.Hope to seek advice from fellow MOL members. Thks

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    Re: Does claying remove M21 sealant which have already bonded to the paint?

    Yes, it does.
    Waxes and sealants bond on top of paint surface. Clay removes stuff on top of paint surface as well.

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    Re: Does claying remove M21 sealant which have already bonded to the paint?

    Greg is correct. Claying removes any type of wax or sealant you've applied to the paint. A rule of thumb is to at least wax your finish after claying it.
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    Re: Does claying remove M21 sealant which have already bonded to the paint?

    While claying will remove bonded contaminants as well as waxes and sealants, whether or not it will remove all of the pre-existing wax or sealant is going to depend on a couple of factors, primarily how long ago that wax or sealant was last applied. If you've just applied a very durable polymer sealant a couple of days ago and now clay the vehicle, you're probably not going to remove all of that sealant. But if it's been a few months since that application and the sealant or wax has broken down, as these products always do, then claying will most likely get rid of the last of it.

    Regardless which of these two scenarios fits your current situation (or something in between, even) then a good washing and claying will prep the surface sufficiently for your application of Ultimate Wax. You're looking to apply a synthetic sealant over a different synthetic sealant, and that's not going to be an issue as far as bonding goes. In fact, you don't necessarily even need to clay first (unless the paint desperately needs it, of course) just to go from one product to another. We certainly understand the desire to do so and quite honestly, we would do the same, but you don't absolutely need to.
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    Re: Does claying remove M21 sealant which have already bonded to the paint?

    The Meguiars Clay together with Meguiars Quick Detailer, does that remove a nano coating, apparently this becomes one with the paint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickylexus250:546836
    The Meguiars Clay together with Meguiars Quick Detailer, does that remove a nano coating, apparently this becomes one with the paint.
    No. A nanotechnology type of coating is an actual hard layer of product that must be abraded to remove.
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    Re: Does claying remove M21 sealant which have already bonded to the paint?

    Most of the new crop of glass/ceramic coatings should not be removed by claying but some of them actually caution against using clay on them. Check with the manufacturer of the product you're using or that was applied to your vehicle to be sure though, and proceed according to their instructions.
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    Re: Does claying remove M21 sealant which have already bonded to the paint?

    1. Quote Originally Posted by larry0071 View Post
      No. A nanotechnology type of coating is an actual hard layer of product that must be abraded to remove.

    It there any coating that bonds to the paint, if water spots and say bird droppings, tree sap can etch into the clear coat and then further into the paint if left, then has someone made a coating that will do the same?
    (REASON: I have asked the company that did the coating if I can remove the coating and they said no, it is one with the paint, I have looked at the chemistry of nano technology and they bond to the surface, none will go any deeper then the clear coat).

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    Re: Does claying remove M21 sealant which have already bonded to the paint?

    Quote Originally Posted by rickylexus250 View Post
    It there any coating that bonds to the paint, if water spots and say bird droppings, tree sap can etch into the clear coat and then further into the paint if left, then has someone made a coating that will do the same?
    (REASON: I have asked the company that did the coating if I can remove the coating and they said no, it is one with the paint, I have looked at the chemistry of nano technology and they bond to the surface, none will go any deeper then the clear coat).
    We have yet to see a coating that truly "becomes one with the paint" and we've played with quite a few of them, have talked with company representatives, licensed installers with plenty of experience using them, etc. They aren't all identical either in terms of application ease, gloss level or durability, but all are extremely hard and very durable - on the order of 18 months to several years. But again, we've seen none that can not be abraded off with a compound. In fact, virtually every one of them states that the ONLY way to remove them is to compound them off. We have seen situations where very poorly maintained automatic car washes have scratched them quite badly, so much so that they had to be compounded off and reapplied.

    Now, we are not saying that there is nothing on the market that does not behave as you indicate, but looking at the chemistry of a modern clear coat paint system, we have a hard time wrapping our heads around such a product actually permeating the clear coat and "becoming one with it". But bonding very securely? Yes, that's actually quite common these days.
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