M205 Ultra Finishing Polish/W9207

[mohebmhanna]

If I applied M205 with the soft finishing pad W9207, is any cut would be introduced to the paint or just high gloss clean looking.

[Murr1525]

Re: M205 Ultra Finishing Polish/W9207

Very little cut/cleaning ability, certainly more on the polish side.

[mohebmhanna]

Re: M205 Ultra Finishing Polish/W9207

can I say it will remove about 5000 grit marks, since I imagine M205 with W8207 will remove about 2500 grit. That is correct or I'm wrong!

[Murr1525]

Re: M205 Ultra Finishing Polish/W9207

I wouldn't want to make a prediction like that... the paint alone is a major variable.

In general, #205+8207 removing 2500 grit sounds a bit optimistic...

[smack]

Re: M205 Ultra Finishing Polish/W9207

If need be stup up to M105 on W8207 and it should knock out the sanding marks. It also depends on what tool you are using.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: M205 Ultra Finishing Polish/W9207

Theoretical sanding grits aside, what are you actually looking to accomplish, what are you working on?

[mohebmhanna]

Re: M205 Ultra Finishing Polish/W9207

I'm working on black BMW-5 series 2008 (which I think it's soft paint)!. The goals are:
1- Get rid off very minor swirls (you can say they are not noticed)
2- Add gloss and show the beauty of the black color.

The steps I would like to follow and seeking advice are:
1- Clean and wash
2-M205/w9207 to avoid cutting as possible
2- M7/W9207 (this is a question for me; may its redundant!)
3- Gold class liquid/W9207 (to darken the paint)
4- Ultimate wax liquid/w9207 ( for protection)

[Michael Stoops]

Re: M205 Ultra Finishing Polish/W9207

What makes you say the paint on your 5 is soft? Have you actually done any work on it before? We see BMW paint all over the map, from very soft to insanely hard, so until you start working on it you really don't know for sure. Take a look at this thread to see what can happen when a paint doesn't respond the way you think it will.

It's great that you have a plan, but like we said, until you actually start working on a car you don't know how the paint will respond so you don't know if your plan is actually the right one for the car. If you rely too heavily on a plan up front, you can get frustrated when it ends up be insufficient for the task. So, with what you've outlined, there's nothing really wrong with your steps but we can't say for sure if it's the right process or not. It is quite mild, that much we can say for sure. Your suspicion that M7 is redundant following M205 is correct; you probably don't need to do that since M205 will do wonders for the gloss and clarity of the paint on its own - it's great stuff! Also, we'd probably reverse your steps 3 & 4, applying the Gold Class on top of the Ultimate Wax if you're going to do both (but you don't need both).

[mohebmhanna]

Re: M205 Ultra Finishing Polish/W9207

Hi Mike,
The reason I said it soft paint (from my perspective), it was very easy you induce minor swirls when you buffing the car, for example, during wash or buffing wax. Of course you can disagree with me and I like to know your inputs and advice to what I said. Secondly, I agree with you my plan is quite mild not aggressive at all. Third, the reason I was palning to apply Gold Class liquid and top it with Ultimate liquid wax is to add darken and gloss to the paint. Please advice and thanks much.

[FX4619]

If you're talking about gold class carnuba wax then that would be applied as a last step.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: M205 Ultra Finishing Polish/W9207

Hi Mike,
The reason I said it soft paint (from my perspective), it was very easy you induce minor swirls when you buffing the car, for example, during wash or buffing wax. Of course you can disagree with me and I like to know your inputs and advice to what I said. Secondly, I agree with you my plan is quite mild not aggressive at all. Third, the reason I was palning to apply Gold Class liquid and top it with Ultimate liquid wax is to add darken and gloss to the paint. Please advice and thanks much.

Don't get us wrong here, we aren't necessarily disputing your thought that this car has soft paint. We don't know for sure because we haven't worked on it ourselves. Just know that some paint can be easily scratched but also very difficult to remove the scratches from. The two processes are very different from one another - creating a scratch is essentially making a very fine cut in the paint, but removing that cut mark requires abrading the surface level again. Hopefully this car will be prove to be pretty straightforward to correct, as most cars are, actually. We just want to get people thinking about what happens if they formulate a plan, and the plan does not work. What do you do then?

As for the Gold Class and Ultimate Wax, we'd still suggest applying the Ultimate first and GC on top of it - you'll gain the final look of the GC while having the extra layer of protection offered by the Ultimate right on top of the paint.

[mohebmhanna]

Re: M205 Ultra Finishing Polish/W9207

To answer your question, if my formulated plan didn't work as I wish, I'll step up to more aggressive process. For example, I'm thinking to use M205/W8207 on small area (2x2) and examine the result. If this didn't work I'll increase aggressive process, as required, by using higher cutting pads/ or products. Thanks.