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    Re: DA Microfiber Polish

    Quote Originally Posted by jankerson View Post
    Sounds like it might be a really good jeweling polish on a foam finishing pad perhaps.
    +1 that's what I was thinking.

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    Re: DA Microfiber Polish

    Nice! This looks like a great addition to the DAMF line
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    I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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    Re: DA Microfiber Polish

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Stoops View Post
    The microfiber system is part of the Detailer Line, not Mirror Glaze, and as such all of the liquids in it are not "body shop safe". But, um, "durable fillers" like a certain product that suddenly became very well known for exactly that? No. Do a test side by side with both D302 and that other product, and then strip them both (if you can fully strip that other product). You'll lose a bit of darkness with both once they've been stripped (you could say that about almost any product) but you'll go backwards with regard to defect removal with that other product and not with D302 (or dramatically less so). That assumes that by "filling" you actually mean the hiding of defects rather than the elimination of defects. A bit of darkening of the paint is a different matter altogether and that can ONLY be accomplished by leaving something behind. Stripping that something will remove the darkening, but if that product is truly filling, stripping it will also reveal defects that were once hidden but are now revealed. If, on the other hand, the product darkens but does not fill, then stripping it will cause a loss of that darkening but the defects will still be gone.
    You picked up on what I was getting at, but to be clear I wasn't saying it in a negative connotation -- I don't think there's anything wrong with products that fill when it is known/expressed that they're doing so. They do have their place in the industry for some purposes.

    The main characteristic I was looking at is that typically products that aren't body shop safe (containing silicones or ingredients of that sort) tend to be more likely to mask defects, or mask more defects than body shop safe polishes. The distinction, as you clarified, is whether the surface is able to be easily stripped clean or not; that's where I wasn't clear. Thanks for the response!
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    Re: DA Microfiber Polish

    Can you use this product by hand with a foam pad in the nook and cranny areas that you can't get to with the machine?

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    Re: DA Microfiber Polish

    Quote Originally Posted by OhioCarBuff View Post
    Can you use this product by hand with a foam pad in the nook and cranny areas that you can't get to with the machine?
    An MF towel or EvenCoat MF applicator may produce results closer to the MF pad.
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    Re: DA Microfiber Polish

    Quote Originally Posted by OhioCarBuff View Post
    Can you use this product by hand with a foam pad in the nook and cranny areas that you can't get to with the machine?
    No reason why you couldn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stephan View Post
    An MF towel or EvenCoat MF applicator may produce results closer to the MF pad.
    Perhaps, but if he's looking to use it where he can't get a machine in the first place, he won't have any DA haze in those areas to start with. Remember, this product is specifically designed to remove DA haze that can occur during the D300/DMC correction step. Yet, as a super fine finishing polish it's great to use with foam pads as well.
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    Re: DA Microfiber Polish

    The biggest problem I had with D302 is using it to correct defects larger than what it was intended for. Use it as specified and you will grow to love it. Remember it is for very very light correcting, mainly light D.A. haze left from more aggressive correcting processes.

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    Re: DA Microfiber Polish

    Quote Originally Posted by Superior Shine View Post
    The biggest problem I had with D302 is using it to correct defects larger than what it was intended for. Use it as specified and you will grow to love it. Remember it is for very very light correcting, mainly light D.A. haze left from more aggressive correcting processes.
    Excellent point, Joe.

    Here's a major point of departure between D302 and, say, M205: the abrasives in M205 are a very fine version of the SMAT technology found in our newer compounds. That means that even though the specific abrasives in M205 are very fine and therefore capable of refining a surface to a very high level, they are also very hard so if pushed, they can actually offer quite a bit of cut. For example, you can finish out to an incredibly high gloss with extreme clarity if M205 is used on a foam finishing pad via DA or rotary at slow speed, but you can also cut to a surprising degree with M205 if used on a microfiber cutting pad with higher speeds and especially on a very powerful (albeit expensive) tool like the Rupes.

    D302 is very different in the way it behaves and it can't really be "amped up" by using it in an aggressive fashion. In and of itself it has very little cut so if you use with a more aggressive pad at higher speeds, all you'll really be getting is the additional cut from that pad/speed combo. This really is a case where the product is quite single minded in it's purpose.
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    Re: DA Microfiber Polish

    This is #2 on my want list, just behind the new MF pads. As a regular user of the DAMF system, I have often used M205 rather than the D301 as a refining step after the D300 compound before going to my preferred LSP. This fills the gap perfectly.

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    Re: DA Microfiber Polish

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Stoops View Post
    Excellent point, Joe.

    Here's a major point of departure between D302 and, say, M205: the abrasives in M205 are a very fine version of the SMAT technology found in our newer compounds. That means that even though the specific abrasives in M205 are very fine and therefore capable of refining a surface to a very high level, they are also very hard so if pushed, they can actually offer quite a bit of cut. For example, you can finish out to an incredibly high gloss with extreme clarity if M205 is used on a foam finishing pad via DA or rotary at slow speed, but you can also cut to a surprising degree with M205 if used on a microfiber cutting pad with higher speeds and especially on a very powerful (albeit expensive) tool like the Rupes.

    D302 is very different in the way it behaves and it can't really be "amped up" by using it in an aggressive fashion. In and of itself it has very little cut so if you use with a more aggressive pad at higher speeds, all you'll really be getting is the additional cut from that pad/speed combo. This really is a case where the product is quite single minded in it's purpose.
    So does this have even less cut than UP?
    Quote Originally Posted by Blueline View Post
    I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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