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    Re: The power of White Wax

    Quote Originally Posted by Selectchoice View Post
    Who's the handsome rooster on camera duties? WW really brought out their best side in the shiny paint reflections!
    Funny stuff!!!


    This was actually a side project I did recently and, even though I don't usually post my own detailing projects this one made sense to share because of the dramatic change brought about with just White Wax. For me personally it was sort of strange working in direct sunlight - it was the first time I wore sunglasses while detailing, and that was simply because that expanse of white paint in the California sunshine was just blindingly bright. No reflections to start, but still really bright! The fun part was standing in front of the huge expanse of white paint with no reflection, buffing a section, and watching the reflections appear as I wiped off the residue. I just never got tired of that!
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    Re: The power of White Wax

    Looks like this will be my product of choice for my daily driver (white paint that has been somewhat neglected). Was looking for an AIO and this will fit the bill. I will wash, clay, then some WW with DA
    and polish pad.

    Some questions though:

    what is your size definition of a large dollop? I have seen the consistency of WW is more like toothpaste in some thread pics. So would the amount you apply on a regular toothbrush be adequate for
    each 3x3 section you are working on? or would that be the equivalent of "1 large dollop".

    Reason I am asking is that I read some threads that said it took some effort to remove WW after haze. Want to make sure I am not doing the same mistake and apply just the right amount.

    Thanks!!

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    Re: The power of White Wax

    From the Master himself! Great Reflective Gloss (what I call white's and lighter colors) That makes 2 of us now that has used this Great Product as a compound/cleaner on dull and very badly oxidized paint with Amazing results!

    Love that you even took the time to do a before and after video for better coverage to put into your post as well!

    Hope you don't mind if I steal that great idel from you and maybe use it from time to time?

    Again Great job!!!!
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    Re: The power of White Wax

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Kinder View Post

    Love that you even took the time to do a before and after video for better coverage to put into your post as well!

    Hope you don't mind if I steal that great idel from you and maybe use it from time to time?

    Again Great job!!!!
    Go ahead and steal the idea.... not sure it was really "my idea" after all!!!

    As for your experience with White Wax on that nasty trailer, it's nice to see someone else experiencing the power of White Wax. But don't think it's just for white or light colored vehicles. There are a few before and after shots of a metallic black Jaguar I did with WW recently, paired with our new DFC5 thin foam cutting disc, and as a one step it was nothing short of spectacular.

    Oh, what the heck.... so that you don't have to go digging for them:


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    This was one section pass with a G110v2, DFC5 foam cutting disc, and White Wax. Car owner specifically said he was NOT looking for a show car shine, so we discussed a one step. Microfiber hazed this paint, but the new cutting disc left this finish. To be very candid, I didn't quite believe it at first so I did an IPA wipe down. And then another. And then another. After three such wipedowns I was pretty well convinced and just did the whole car. Yep, there are a couple of RIDS here, no doubt about it..... but that's what you get with a one step process; you are NOT chasing a true show car shine nor are you getting paid for that amount of time. You know you did right when the car owner sees the finished project, his jaw hits the ground and he is truly speechless.
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    Re: The power of White Wax

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Stoops View Post
    There are a few before and after shots of a metallic black Jaguar I did with WW recently, paired with our new DFC5 thin foam cutting disc, and as a one step it was nothing short of spectacular.

    Oh, what the heck.... so that you don't have to go digging for them:


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    ...You know you did right when the car owner sees the finished project, his jaw hits the ground and he is truly speechless.
    You sure got that kitty purring again Mike! Great job- with a less than everyday combo of product/pad!

    Is it just me or are the new DA's and pad choices really giving the heavier compound 'starting points' a real run for their money?

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    Re: The power of White Wax

    Quote Originally Posted by Selectchoice View Post

    Is it just me or are the new DA's and pad choices really giving the heavier compound 'starting points' a real run for their money?
    It really is amazing how DA paint polishing has changed in the past 4 or 5 years. With the introduction of our DA Microfiber Correction System, compounds like M105 and D300, and then the new crop of more powerful DA tools, it's all pretty incredible. We know so many guys who were just hard core rotary users that now say they haven't touched their rotary in a year or two. Or they may use the rotary just for spot work, tighter areas where a no stroke small pad works best, etc.

    The new MT300 DA buffer we just introduced is another example. It may still be an 8mm stroke tool, but don't let that fool you into thinking it's not up to the task of a $400 tall stroke tool. Stroke alone is not the determining factor, and this new tool proves that very well. For edge work a shorter stroke is actually preferable. That said, virtually all of the top guys we know use a variety of tools when working on any car.
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    Re: The power of White Wax

    This post is a true testament of the capabilities of this product, without a doubt!
    However, since I have started using a DA polisher (Megs 220v2), I find that putting a coat of ULW takes so little time (not to mention the lack of worry about white residue), however going through the whole car with many passes, small areas, slow arm movement is massively time consuming. So in other words, if one wants to correct paint to this degree as described above, wouldn't you recommend to use a more suitable combo (newest pads, or MF with D300), which may even get the correction job done quicker, and the few minutes extra to lay down a coat of ULW which will undoubtably give a better protection? In other words, is this really a time saving to use a AIO for such a job?

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    Re: The power of White Wax

    Quote Originally Posted by szladob View Post
    ...however going through the whole car with many passes, small areas, slow arm movement is massively time consuming. So in other words, if one wants to correct paint to this degree as described above, wouldn't you recommend to use a more suitable combo (newest pads, or MF with D300), which may even get the correction job done quicker, and the few minutes extra to lay down a coat of ULW which will undoubtably give a better protection? In other words, is this really a time saving to use a AIO for such a job?
    Michael mentioned this was after just ONE section pass, so 'quicker' couldn't really be improved upon especially considering this was a correcting and protecting step. Plus, he was using the White Wax with the new Cutting Disc so he was all over the new technology on this job.

    Are there more steps you could do to eek out more shine, or remove some of the rids? Probably, but the client said they weren't after a true multi-step, 'show car' shine. The result Michael posted is far in excess of the owner's expectations. And all in ONE step! Success in my book!

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    Re: The power of White Wax

    Looks like Mike has been keeping secrets from us!

    I remember seeing those pics of the Jag above a few months ago - well before there was any hint of the new foam discs being released!

    I could've sworn he said it was done with MF pads at the time!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Blueline View Post
    I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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    Re: The power of White Wax

    Quote Originally Posted by szladob View Post
    This post is a true testament of the capabilities of this product, without a doubt!
    However, since I have started using a DA polisher (Megs 220v2), I find that putting a coat of ULW takes so little time (not to mention the lack of worry about white residue), however going through the whole car with many passes, small areas, slow arm movement is massively time consuming. So in other words, if one wants to correct paint to this degree as described above, wouldn't you recommend to use a more suitable combo (newest pads, or MF with D300), which may even get the correction job done quicker, and the few minutes extra to lay down a coat of ULW which will undoubtably give a better protection? In other words, is this really a time saving to use a AIO for such a job?

    So much of what you use and how you use it comes down to both the current condition of the vehicle and the final expectation. If, for example, your goal is a true show car shine, then even with a rotary you're going to be doing multiple steps and it's going to take a lot of time. End of discussion.

    But look at every single "high end" detail that is being shown off on detailing forums around the world, and if you talk to the guy who did the work, 95% of those will guys will tell you that the vast majority of their work is minivans and SUVs that the owner just wants to get clean and shiny again. The customer is simply not willing to pay for the time it takes to achieve a show car shine, nor do they care for that level of correction and finish.

    There are times when a three step is called for, and product combinations such as a microfiber cutting pad and D300 (or other compound) will speed up the initial defect removal process. Then, a quality finishing polish step is generally called for, meaning M205 and foam polishing or finishing pad (depending on how the paint responds) and, finally, a wax/sealant/coating is applied to finish everything off. Such a process might take 10 to 15 hours or more to accomplish. If it's a true concours level project, you could be looking at several days or even weeks to do the job. Yes, weeks; much of the vehicle will actually be disassembled for such a project.

    But the bread and butter work, the minivans and SUVs, are often taken care with a simple one step process. Yes, some defects are left behind, but the customer simply does not care - and likely can't see the defects anyway. These projects rarely get posted because, let's face it, we all get much more enjoyment looking at pictures of Lamborghini Aventadors, McLaren 12Cs and Ferrari F12s than we do Chevy Tahoes, Dodge Caravans and Ford Escapes.

    In the case of this particular Jaguar, the customer was not willing to pay for the multi steps (and therefore time) needed to dial his car to perfection, nor did he expect anything other than "to bring back the shine". Looking at the severity of the defects in this paint, and knowing from a quick test spot how badly the DA Microfiber System hazed it (it was pretty horrible, actually!) my decision to test White Wax on the new burgundy foam cutting disc was in hopes of literally getting the job done in a single step. The fact that the paint hazed so badly told me it was pretty soft and therefore reasonably easy to correct. That gave me confidence in the White Wax, but what really shocked me was the level of clarity and the total lack of marring yielded by this new pad. Crazy cut AND a killer finish in a single step???? I'll take that all day long. But in this case, it took just a few hours. In fact, a rinseless wash with D114, claying, paint correction, full interior vacuum and cleaning (the very light cream colored leather was very dirty), cleaning the glass and dressing the tires and wheel wells took all of 6 hours, including a break for lunch. And this is a big car!

    While you are spot on about the incredible speed of applying wax with the DA, in this case all it took was a single section pass with the cutting pad and White Wax and I was done. I will add this, however: every time I detail a car I always give it a once over after doing the correction and wax removal just to make sure I haven't missed a spot, that there's no residual dust anywhere, no residue around emblems or trim, etc. In doing so, I usually have a bottle of quick detailer with me to aid in cleaning up all these little spots. I assume most of all of you do something similar, correct? Well, in the case of a one step like this, I use D156 Synthetic Express Spray Wax instead of a more basic quick detailer. And I make sure every panel gets a quick spray and wipe in the process. This takes no more time that the usual post-detail inspection, and it lays down an additional coat of what is an extremely durable polymer to finish things off. Sort of killing two birds with one stone, in a way.
    Michael Stoops
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