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    how to removing factory orange peel ???

    Hi guys..I have a brand new toyota rush.I just compounded, polished, and waxed my car using UC, UP, and UW..with D/A polisherIt looks good..but I noticed that factory orange peel is so annoying...I want to ask, How to remove this factory orange peel ??please help me

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    Re: how to removing factory orange peel ???

    The short answer - Don't do it.

    Wet sanding is the best way to remove orange peel, but it takes a pretty darn high skill set to do it, and you then have to have the appropriate tools (buffer, pads, compounds) to remove the sanding marks. The big problem with trying to do this on a factory paint job is that the paint film is so thin that it's very easy to go right through the clear. And even if you don't go all the way through, that alone doesn't mean you're OK. Let's say you sand down to where you only have 0.3 mil of clear left - no, you have not "gone through" but you've left so little behind that that clear won't last long at all before it starts to break apart due to UV exposure. Remember, the clear coat contains all the UV protection for the color coat under it, and most of that UV protection is in the upper reaches of the clear. Remove half the clear and you remove almost all of the UV protection in it. Not good. Without a paint thickness gauge, it's impossible to know for sure how much paint you've taken off.

    Don't do it.
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    I definitely see / understand what your saying mike. I was wondering if say someone took their car to a body shop....could they spray more clear on a car which then could be wet sanded for desired appearance?

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    Re: how to removing factory orange peel ???

    Thank You mike,....
    Ok, I will not do that..

    But, I saw in this forum, the OEM paint is sanded with meguiars 3000 grit + DA polisher + Microfiber cutting pad + Correction compound,
    How about it??

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    Re: how to removing factory orange peel ???

    here is the picture..

    Ultimate Compound + Ultimate Polish + Ultimate Wax



    but factory orange peel still appear...

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    Re: how to removing factory orange peel ???

    Clear coat is already thin to begin with. Personally I would live with it. If this was a concours show car that is garaged all the time then that's a different story.

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    Re: how to removing factory orange peel ???

    I agree with the Guz. However the best thing you can do to reduce it is forced rotation polishing via flex, dynabrade 19-30mm throw unit or festool shinex. It's action even without a compound will do a better job of reducing peel than just a random
    Then add multiple layers of coating and from there a polymer sealant like I use which has more optical clarity than the clear coat and lasts 18 months but is buildable layer on layer. This will bury some of that peel giving it a more level finish and ultimately a richer deeper color and gloss

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    Re: how to removing factory orange peel ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Detailology Australia View Post
    a polymer sealant like I use which has more optical clarity than the clear coat and lasts 18 months but is buildable layer on layer.
    Please share what polymer sealant you use!
    Quote Originally Posted by Blueline View Post
    I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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    Re: how to removing factory orange peel ???

    Quote Originally Posted by ice_manxxx View Post
    Thank You mike,....
    Ok, I will not do that..

    But, I saw in this forum, the OEM paint is sanded with meguiars 3000 grit + DA polisher + Microfiber cutting pad + Correction compound,
    How about it??
    There is a big difference between wet sanding to remove orange peel, and wet sanding to remove severe defects.

    Orange peel removal would typically be done with something like 2000 grit or coarser sand paper and a flat backing pad. This levels the texture down to the bottom of the "waves" of the orange peel, resulting in paint with very little to no texture. We refer to this process as "texture leveling".

    The process you mentioned involves 3000 grit finishing discs that have a highly specialized abrasive material on the surface, and a thin foam backing integral to the disc itself. Using one of our Unigrit Finishing Discs in 3000 grit can actually be less invasive to the paint than continued aggressive machine compounding when removing severe defects. But the nature of the abrasive particles coupled with the foam backer means that these 3000 grit finishing discs actually follow the contours of the orange peel. We refer to this process as "texture matching" because it allows you perform high level defect removal on a single panel while still maintaining the same texture found throughout the rest of the car.
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    Re: how to removing factory orange peel ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Stoops View Post
    There is a big difference between wet sanding to remove orange peel, and wet sanding to remove severe defects.

    Orange peel removal would typically be done with something like 2000 grit or coarser sand paper and a flat backing pad. This levels the texture down to the bottom of the "waves" of the orange peel, resulting in paint with very little to no texture. We refer to this process as "texture leveling".

    The process you mentioned involves 3000 grit finishing discs that have a highly specialized abrasive material on the surface, and a thin foam backing integral to the disc itself. Using one of our Unigrit Finishing Discs in 3000 grit can actually be less invasive to the paint than continued aggressive machine compounding when removing severe defects. But the nature of the abrasive particles coupled with the foam backer means that these 3000 grit finishing discs actually follow the contours of the orange peel. We refer to this process as "texture matching" because it allows you perform high level defect removal on a single panel while still maintaining the same texture found throughout the rest of the car.
    Thank U mike..

    Now, I clearly understood...

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