Paint Protect 365 vs Ultimate Wax vs M21 Behavior Test

[vietnik]

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As I was doing this, I have to say that Paint Protect is a sheeting type protection. Also while doing this ULW showed the most beading behavior and very nicely tight uniform beading. M21 was more sheeting and the beading closely resembled that of paint protect. I ended up washing this hood 10 times and they all are still performing quite well. I used Hyper Wash as my soap of choice. Awesome soap by the way. After I washed it one last time, I noticed that the sheeting of paint protect had slown down. It was sheeting slightly slower than M21. Initially it was sheeting a little quicker than M21. All three sheet quite well.

I will wash it another 10 times in a week or so and I will make another update.

Enjoy the update.

GREAT sampling of the three products. After what you saw and experience, which product would you recommend or prefer? Or why would you chose one over the other product? I personally have been happy with ULW but recently M21.

[The Guz]

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GREAT sampling of the three products. After what you saw and experience, which product would you recommend or prefer? Or why would you chose one over the other product? I personally have been happy with ULW but recently M21.

Tough question to answer. But I would reach for either UW or M21 and I would recommend those without hesitation. I find both of these to perform very well. I guess I had higher expectations for Paint Protect and to me it's a product that is not a must have in my arsenal.

[davey g-force]

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Nice update Guz!

It seems like the beading in order of best to worst goes UW ---> M21 ---> PP365

Whereas the sheeting in order of best to worst is the reverse of the above (which kinda makes sense really).

In both cases, M21 and PP365 were very close.

Thanks again for taking the time to do this..

[The Guz]

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I would agree with your statements.

[fordf150]

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Tough question to answer. But I would reach for either UW or M21 and I would recommend those without hesitation. I find both of these to perform very well. I guess I had higher expectations for Paint Protect and to me it's a product that is not a must have in my arsenal.

Ok, so what are you basing your decision on, Beading/sheeting, ease of application/looks or durability?

According to Michael, Paint Protect is Meguiars longest lasting LSP, so if someone were looking for something purely based on Durability, I would think Paint Protect would be the clear winner here, NO?.

[The Guz]

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That's part of it. All Meguiar's sealants are pretty straightforward to apply and all are easily removed as long as it's applied thin. I can't comment on durability yet. But I have seen some posts on other detailing forums where 365 has failed within 1 month. Thus I am skeptical until I see it with my own eyes. The way it sounded is the 365 was supposed to be the craziest water beading product offered by Meguiar's. Myself and a couple others have seen the beading to be just ok. Just look at how tight the beading is on ULW. Now to me that is crazy water beading. My personal preference will always be a sheeting type sealant.

Me personally in my neck of the woods I have seen between 6-8 months with ULW on my car that sits outside 24/7 with the occasional D156. M21 seems to be about the 5 1/2 month mark for me also with the occasional D156. The weather is pretty good here so the environment is not harsh. Unlike those that live in harsher climates.

I'm just documenting how each performs and behaves with water.

[KidDetailer]

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In my oppinion....the sheeting speed of the PP365 looks just like an UNWAXED panel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBhiAEjh0zk

This collinite video is more appropriate of what I think of as a sheeting wax.

[Michael Stoops]

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The way it sounded is the 365 was supposed to be the craziest water beading product offered by Meguiar's. Myself and a couple others have seen the beading to be just ok. Just look at how tight the beading is on ULW. Now to me that is crazy water beading.

Our claim has never been that Paint Protect will provide the tightest and most uniform beading, but rather that it will bead water for up to 12 months. It is still susceptible to harsh detergents, high pH all purpose cleaners, touchless car washes (that use a one-two punch of acid wash and alkaline wash), etc. But when washed regularly with a proper car wash shampoo you should still see it beading long after traditional carnauba waxes and sealants are gone. That ULW presents smaller and tighter beading isn't really a surprise given the differences in the polymers used in the two products. It is pretty darn cool to see that uniformity of beading from ULW though, isn't it?!

As many of you know, our target market for Paint Protect is essentially "Joe Consumer" who isn't willing to put in much time at all toward keeping his car looking good, but he knows he needs to do something to protect it. It is incredibly easy to use, but we've never made claims that it's our best looking paint protectant/wax or that it provides the tightest, most uniform beading, any specific angle of incidence (we still see some trying to compare this to products like CQuartz, OptiCoat, 22ple, etc, which is just plain silly, really) or anything like that. The claim has always just been a very simple "keeps beading for up to a year", and that's it.

Having said that, it is very interesting to see The Guz's testing continue to evolve and the behavior of these products change with time. We know that not everyone is going to want the same thing out of a wax, and some still swear by carnauba even though we all know those don't last anywhere near as long as synthetics and are even more susceptible to harsher washes. It's great to see this sort of testing being done as it helps people make decisions based on third party, real world experiences. Honestly, given the level of user sophistication we see from forum members versus non-enthusiast consumers, we aren't surprised to see that many forum members would pick another sealant or wax over Paint Protect. Not only do you guys not mind putting in time to keep your cars looking good, you actually look forward to it! Heck, some of you even take the time and effort (we're looking at you, Guz!) to do testing like this. Joe Consumer wouldn't even know where to begin with such a test.

[The Guz]

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Thanks Mike.

Unfortunately I haven't done much as of late. You and I both know the drought is of concern and we are all trying to conserve water. So unfortunately the hood is sitting in the garage collecting dust.

[Drive Clean]

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can we use Ultimate Detailer Spray instead of IPA for removing polishing oils?

[The Guz]

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can we use Ultimate Detailer Spray instead of IPA for removing polishing oils?

No it will not remove polishing oil. Ultimate Quik Detailer actually leaves protection behind.

[Drive Clean]

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No it will not remove polishing oil. Ultimate Quik Detailer actually leaves protection behind.

in meguiar what you suggest instead of IPA. or IPA is available in meguiar range

[The Guz]

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in meguiar what you suggest instead of IPA. or IPA is available in meguiar range

From Meguiar's you can use D114 at strong dilution ration of I believe 15:1. I'm going off the top of my head. You may need to search here to see if I have that correct. I know at 6:1 it will strip wax. CarPro Eraser also works.

Here's a god article on how to mix IPA

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/31183-how-mix-ipa-inspecting-correction-results.html

[Drive Clean]

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From Meguiar's you can use D114 at strong dilution ration of I believe 15:1. I'm going off the top of my head. You may need to search here to see if I have that correct. I know at 6:1 it will strip wax. CarPro Eraser also works.

Here's a god article on how to mix IPA

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...n-results.html

Thanks a lot

[Randy M]

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I was thinking about picking up a bottle of the pink stuff since I live in Oregon. But after this test, it seems that the best protection, water beading etc is still ULW.