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    Re: Which Products Contain Carnauba?

    Great info Mr. Stoops.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Stoops View Post
    Oh geez...... too often there are too many distractions in the office and I miss something!!! My bad; these do indeed contain at least some carnauba and I've updated my original list to reflect that. Thanks for keeping me honest (if a bit embarrassed!).
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    Re: Which Products Contain Carnauba?

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Gear View Post

    I'm surprised to see Xpress Synthetic Spray Wax and UQW on the list - hence the myths and confusion aspect - as I've read otherwise about them.
    And this directly relates to the discussion about how much wax, which polymers, etc. Yes, there is carnauba in these, but there isn't much at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Gear View Post
    As you know, I've been in dealing with high-humidity and wild daily humidity swings in the South, and I've also changed to DAMF. The humidity swings cause streaking and wipe holograms, and the nightly condensation on the paint bonds contaminants. Also, I love the "blue" look of DAMF even more than I loved the "Gold Class" look.
    This may call for some experimentation on your part to see which wax performs better under these conditions, based on your application process, normal drying time, etc. You may find that NXT Tech Wax 2.0 (a synthetic) is easier to deal with in higher humidity, or you may find M26 (primarily carnauba) easier to work with. A lot will depend on how thick/thin you're applying, how bad the humidity is when you apply, how long you wait to wipe off, etc. Unfortunately we can't be as specific as to recommend X number of minutes dry time for X% relative humidity at X degrees F.

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Gear View Post
    So, it looks like I could use D156 "Synthetic" Xpress Spray Wax as a D301-matching way to replace Gold Class Quick Wax, as both contain some carnauba, however, it is said to be the same as UQW, so perhaps I can beg your indulgence on that a bit longer. How alike or different are XSW, UQW, and GCQW, for example, in maintaining a carnauba-based finish? Of course, one is bulk, but aside from that I wonder if XSW is better for my DAMF finish than GCQW, or if there's really no difference, etc. Perhaps I've assumed too much difference between the lines and the need to "match" a look?

    Again, thanks for your answer!
    Honestly, this is almost a splitting hairs scenario. XSW and UQW are virtually identical other than the aroma. As mentioned in my previous post, GCQW will actually darken dark colored paints more than the other two, but the other two will provide far greater hydrophobic properties. If you're chasing that "carnauba look", go with GCQW. If the car sits outside a lot and you want the hydrophobic effect, go with one of the other two. Something tells us that you're going for the carnauba look, so GCQW would be our recommendation. But as noted earlier, there is no right or wrong answer here. The products are all interchangeable as far as basic function goes (is it a quick detailer or a spray wax, etc) and the final visual appearance, subtle though it may be to some, is a purely personal choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Guz View Post
    Great info Mr. Stoops.

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    Re: Which Products Contain Carnauba?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Stoops View Post
    Honestly, this is almost a splitting hairs scenario. XSW and UQW are virtually identical other than the aroma. As mentioned in my previous post, GCQW will actually darken dark colored paints more than the other two, but the other two will provide far greater hydrophobic properties. If you're chasing that "carnauba look", go with GCQW. If the car sits outside a lot and you want the hydrophobic effect, go with one of the other two.
    Thanks, that helps greatly. It's easy to overthink these things and get confused by all the options and advice. I think I'll stay with what I'm using, GCQD and GCQW, but when I get a chance, I'll be happy to try others. Mainly, it's awesome to know definitively and for sure how carnauba is used in the various products you've listed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Stoops View Post
    ...Something tells us that you're going for the carnauba look...
    Did that come through? I may have mentioned it, lol.
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    Re: Which Products Contain Carnauba?

    I too am going for that carnauba look. The first time I tried Gold Class I was blown away. I used to use NXT and thought it was awesome but once I saw what GC did to my car's single stage no clear coat paint THAT WAS IT. My car is a garage queen that is only used for cruise nights and car shows and the rare occasional joyride - actually not true - I travel all over New England to events so I get plenty of joyrides out of it.
    I don't post much because I can't help but feel it comes off like I am bragging but if I can help out someone else who's trying to go for the ultimate carnauba look I will start typing. I too spend a lot of time on this forum perusing and also tend to overthink things but if what I do gets these kind of results on my car's paint it will definitely help anyone with a dark colored car. Before I go any further I want to say I am just an average working joe and do all my own detailing. I bought this car right before the prices started going through the roof because of all the guys my age going through midlife crises. But it isn't a midlife crisis for me; the first car I bought when I got my license was one of these and this is the fifth one I've owned and my 2nd Bandit. I used to sell one and turn around and get another - all in really nice shape - without even thinking about it. Boy are those days gone forever! TAs needing full restoration are selling for more now than I bought this one for with the resto 99% done!
    Gold Class Car Wash, Ultimate Polish, Gold Class Carnauba Plus. I only have to wash & wax once a year because my car only sees nice sunny weather and is maintained with GCQD & GCQW. UP gets rid of the occasional swirl and for scratches it's either ScratchX or UC. I have used M101 in the past when UC wasn't quite up to the task. All 3 of these do cause my paint to haze but UP gets rid of it and brings back the gloss.
    I tried skipping the UP one time when I gave my car its annual bath because of the high polish load in GCCP to save myself some work but my car's paint lacked the depth I had become accustomed to.
    I also tried using M26 after UP because it has been said a pure wax will give better results but once again IMO the depth just wasn't there.
    After these 2 experiments I believe the combo of UP and GCCP is unbeatable and have absolutely no intentions of trying Black Wax - I read all the reviews and everyone who tried it said it had hardly any swirl - removal ability.
    I believe my polish - overload strategy is the secret to the ultimate carnauba look.
    I took my car to the 1st car show of the season; a huge All Pontiac show. There were a dozen other cars in the same class mine was in including one identical to mine - even the same year - with a much newer paint job ( mine was restored over FIFTEEN YEARS AGO! ).
    I could tell by looking at my car's twin the owner used a synthetic wax on it.
    When the awards were given out my car took second - to a literal trailer queen - it was brought to the show on a trailer, rolled onto the show field - and back on the trailer when it was over. My car's twin didn't even place.
    I have no desire to own a trailer queen - what fun is a car you don't drive? I'd rather drive my car AND win trophies!

    And I have discovered a way to save myself some work. I didn't think it was fair UQD has wax boosting ability and GCQD doesn't; especially since ULW lasts a heckuvalot longer than my wax of choice. My car doesn't see rain but it is sitting in the hot sun 6 - 7 hrs every time I go to a car show.
    I took a generic 32 oz spray bottle & poured in 50/50 GCQD & GCQW. It works awesome and cuts my pre - show prep in half.
    Every time I'm at a show or cruise people always comment about how amazing my car looks and they ask me how long ago it was repainted. They all think I'm lying when I tell them.
    So Mr. Stoops - any possibility of updating GCQD to include carnauba hint hint nudge nudge? And here's my greatest argument in support of this.
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    Re: Which Products Contain Carnauba?

    ^^ I liked reading your post. Thanks for sharing your story and experiences.

    I didn't think it was fair UQD has wax boosting ability and GCQD doesn't
    I don't think this is correct. They both still boost your wax, it's just that UQD has the hydrophobic properties, whereas GCQD doesn't.

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    Re: Which Products Contain Carnauba?

    According to Mike Stoops there is no carnauba in GCQD; here's him saying this - scroll down - http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums...Detailer/page2
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    Re: Which Products Contain Carnauba?

    There is still gloss enhancers in the QD. If you want the carnuaba then just hit with the QW. As long as the paint is clean.

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    Re: Which Products Contain Carnauba?

    Yeah, even though it doesn't contain carnauba, the GCQD will still boost wax protection. At least that's my understanding...
    Quote Originally Posted by Blueline View Post
    I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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    Re: Which Products Contain Carnauba?

    Rich, your beautiful TA takes me back to my gradeschool/high school days I wanted that car badly back in the day, especially with Sally Field along, and her hair flying up around the t-tops. Good times.

    Anyway, adding protection with polymers alone is not the same as re-waxing (ie. boosting) with a carnauba finishing product. This is the whole point of matching finishing products to the carnauba look. To me, GCQD is very useful as an APC on my carnauba-based finish, but it's just not a last touch product (in my humidity, anyway) because it streaks and clouds and has to be cleaned up itself. It will WW clean without ruining the carnauba look (real or imagined). I then can re-wax with a carnauba-based finishing product, GCQW, usually after a wash. At a show, I run the risk of streaks and clouds with either of these products, so I use them very sparingly in the field.

    They are also great on trips, such as cleaning bug bodies off the front clip, and re-waxing, when I know it's not going to be 100% (without a wash).
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    Re: Which Products Contain Carnauba?

    ^^ Okay, based on this and other discussions, I've finally gave up the ghost and tried Ultimate Wash & Wax Anywhere. All I can say is I was very skeptical, but I'm freakin' wowed and blown away! I just did not think it was possible to have such an easy, non-streaking, non-clouding, carnauba-enriched cleaning and re-waxing result in the humid Southern weather I deal with. This really does change everything for me, because where I always fell down was in daily cleaning, travel washing, and pre-show touch-ups, which resulted in streaks, wipe holograms, clouds, and ultimately, more swirls to correct. Now I can just leave GCQD for dressing, clay lube, etc, and GCQW for re-waxing after a full wash, and let UWWA (essentially D115 in a "sampler" bottle) do the daily regimen work for me. Just. Wow.
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