Airplane Products

[Wayne "Dr. Detail" Loomis]

Hello. This is Dr. Detail's 1st post this time around. I have a Q. for the experts on vintage Meguiars. I recently came across a glass bottle marked Machine Glaze but in place of "Automobile" it says "Airplane". Is there any info on this product, it's rarety, what other Airplane products were in the line or ??? ... See pic. below

OK. How do I insert a picture?

[Selectchoice]

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Welcome to MOL!

[Wayne "Dr. Detail" Loomis]

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Thank You. Good to be here. Any ideas about my product and can you tell me how to post a Jpeg?

[greg0303]

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Any ideas about my product?

M03 Machine Glaze is a mild cleaner/polish. Can be used with all types of polishing machines, including rotary buffers. It uses diminishing abrasives (old technology). It was designed for automobile paints. Similar products (with non-diminishing, super micro abrasive technology SMAT) would be M205 Ultra Finishing Polish or Ultimate Polish. For airplane polishing good choices would be: D151, M66 or M20 (all in one products).

[greg0303]

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and can you tell me how to post a Jpeg?

Log on to your account, go to "Gallery", click on "Upload photos", transfer the picture into your picture gallery and then you can use "Insert photo" option while composing your message.

[Wayne "Dr. Detail" Loomis]

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http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/63652/title/meguiar-s-mirror-glaze-vintage-green-bottle/cat/500

Thank you Greg0303. With your help I should be fully functional but the insert image functon asks for a URL for the pic. Where do I find that. Picture is in my gallery. You can use this link to see the bottle (theoreticaly)..

Thank you also for your info. I've been sellng Meguiars for over 28 years and agree with your choices. My original question, however is quite different. Here it is again ...

I recently ran into a Meguiar glass bottle with a green label which did not say "Automobile" but rather "Airplane". Meguiar's staff here, near Irvine, admited to having heard of the line but having never seen an example before (see link above). I'm looking for as much information on this line, in glass, as I can get. Anyone know anything they can share? Mr. Stoops. Are you out there?

[the other pc]

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How to place an image in your messages

[Michael Stoops]

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Knowing that Barry has a bottle of Mirror Glaze Airplane Cleaner sitting on shelf in his office, I popped in and snapped this picture of it. In this glass bottle this would date back to early 1950s at the very latest, and pre WWII at the earliest. In all likelihood, this was one of our automotive paint cleaners simply relabeled as an aircraft product back in the day. That would pre date the FAA restrictions that are now in place for virtually any and all products being used on any aircraft surface. For example, our Mirror Glaze plastic care products (M17 Plastic Cleaner, M10 Plastic Polish and M18 Clear Plastic Cleaner/Polish (essentially the precursor to Plast-X)) used to carry whatever spec certification is required by the FAA but that is a very expensive certificate to obtain and it expires after a few years. The cost to obtain certification versus the amount of product we sold specifically to the industry forced us to stop re-certifying these products even though the formulations remain the same. At the time this glass bottled product was produced, those very strict regs were not in place.

Now, before anyone thinks it really odd that we may well have relabeled one product for another here, keep in mind that our original product line up when the company was founded back in 1901 was all furniture polishes and cleaners. But with furniture being commonly lacquer painted, just like those newfangled horseless carriages were, it was a natural for us to relabel certain furniture polishes as automobile polishes. When you get right down to it, if you've got a surface with a lacquer paint job, does it really matter if that surface is an end table, a car, a boat, or an airplane?

To this day we do some relabeling (D156 Synthetic Express Spray Wax in the Detailer Pro Line and Ultimate Quik Wax in the Consumer Line come immediately to mind), but not nearly as much as we used to waaaaay back in the day. We did do a whole line of products specifically for Buick back in the day, but those were all based on existing products but with specific tweaks to the formulation. We did the same for Mopar and Mercedes Benz up until a few years ago, basing those products on existing products but with specific tweaks to the formulations. The line that we currently do for DUB is a bit different as each product is a unique formulation for that brand.

So, probably more than you were really wondering about, but that's a very abbreviated history of some of our products.

[Wayne "Dr. Detail" Loomis]

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Perfect. Thank you Mr. Stoops for the scoop. Being a professional Chemist myself I can't get enough details. My bottle looks almost exactly like the one you pictured but is labeled "Machine Glaze" instead.

I'm a bit frustrated that I can't get my pic loaded. Have you heard of any other Airplane bottles in collections out there? This one sits proudly in Dr. Detail's "Wax Museum" in my store.

[BillE]

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Just to chime in...'back in the day' we used M-10 in helo windshields. Whether or not it had a "MIL" spec, I don't recall. But it sure made that plastic easier to see thru.

As I think back, "Rain-X" was used on the fixed wing windows.

I'd be willing to guess that 'we' just followed Mike Phillips words, "Find something you like add use it!" In other words, MIL specs be damn'd... LOL.

Bill

[amblin83]

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I work in the aircraft industry, we used to apply rain-X and similar stuff on aircraft windows, especially helicopters. Not so often on fast fixed wings due to the heat generated by air friction greatly affects longevity.

FAA cert board is just a bunch of greedy lil buggers...