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    Re: Hello from the UK

    Nick, amazing reply (thankyou very much!!).

    Currently I have only bought a DA which came with 3 flexipads foam pads (cutting/polishing/finishing).
    I have some Ultimate compound (however I may buy another bottle as the UC has been sat dormant for 3-4 years). Although maybe a MF cutting pad with M205 would actually give me a similar result as UC on a cutting/polishing foam pad...and I wouldn't have to buy any more UC..

    I have been contemplating the DAMF system as my starting point as I'd like to invest in a "system" which can "cover the bases". I figured with the cars which need a correction, this could help me learn the ropes fairly quickly and get a "good enough" finish for those who aren't going to be staring at their cars (unlike all us car guys/girls).

    The refinement of the paint was generally for my car (hence taking your earlier comments of using M205 to really make the silver pop).

    My shopping list (because I am only just starting out and don't really have anything other then the Da at the moment) would be:

    -M205
    -Megs Foam pads (red,yellow,black)
    -DAMF system (pads and liquids)
    -UC if the one I have is out of date? (maybe over kill)

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    Re: Hello from the UK

    Hi Nick, i've been doing some more reading up this weekend.

    I've actually been debating whether the best course of action for myself would be to buy:

    - DA300 compound
    - DMC MF discs 6" and 4"
    - M205
    - Megs foam Yellow and black 6" and 4"

    This could be a relatively cheap way to have two products which will let me correct and refine the paint to a relatively high level (inexperience being the thing that holds me back) on both honda and VW paint types.

    After deciding what was important to me.. and after reading up..it seems DA300 with a MF cutting disc should be relatively safe for a noob even on soft honda paint (i hope).
    M205 on a foam pad should let me get rid of any marks that the cutting process may have put in, and finish to a higher level then DA301 could.
    My last stage protection will be a paste wax applied by hand (or even a liquid wax with a black pad).

    I think having a decent selection of pads and just the two liquids.. i should be able to refine the paint if i get into any trouble..seeing as M205 is pretty versatile with all 3 of the foam pad types (from what i've read and heard from yourself).

    Does this seem sensible?

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    Re: Hello from the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by sss1987 View Post
    Hi Nick, i've been doing some more reading up this weekend.

    I've actually been debating whether the best course of action for myself would be to buy:

    - DA300 compound
    - DMC MF discs 6" and 4"
    - M205
    - Megs foam Yellow and black 6" and 4"

    This could be a relatively cheap way to have two products which will let me correct and refine the paint to a relatively high level (inexperience being the thing that holds me back) on both honda and VW paint types.

    After deciding what was important to me.. and after reading up..it seems DA300 with a MF cutting disc should be relatively safe for a noob even on soft honda paint (i hope).
    M205 on a foam pad should let me get rid of any marks that the cutting process may have put in, and finish to a higher level then DA301 could.
    My last stage protection will be a paste wax applied by hand (or even a liquid wax with a black pad).

    I think having a decent selection of pads and just the two liquids.. i should be able to refine the paint if i get into any trouble..seeing as M205 is pretty versatile with all 3 of the foam pad types (from what i've read and heard from yourself).

    Does this seem sensible?
    Yes, it sounds like you have a good plan, and remember, always use the least aggressive combination necessary. If a compound on a red foam pad takes care of the defects to your satisfaction, then no reason to go to the MF Cutting Disc.

    Always dial in your test spot, from start to finish, compound, polish, etc.

    The less haze left behind from your compound step, the less work it will take to finish polish the paint back to a haze free/high gloss.
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    Re: Hello from the UK

    Cheers Nick,

    We got there in the end! Its really about understanding as a rookie what im trying to achieve on the paint. Otherwise the outcomes are endless!
    Im even thinking just the foam pad selection, and M205 will be all i need to order.

    Would Ultimate compound be out of date just being sat around for 3-4 years? If it doesn't this could really be my DA300/M105 substitute especially while im learning.

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    Re: Hello from the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by sss1987 View Post
    Cheers Nick,

    We got there in the end! Its really about understanding as a rookie what im trying to achieve on the paint. Otherwise the outcomes are endless!
    Im even thinking just the foam pad selection, and M205 will be all i need to order.

    Would Ultimate compound be out of date just being sat around for 3-4 years? If it doesn't this could really be my DA300/M105 substitute especially while im learning.
    Woo hoo!

    Regarding Ultimate Compound, give it a good shake, and inspect to see if the product's consistency is still similar to when you first purchase it, i.e. make sure it is not separated and/or watery in consistency. If it is, it should perform just as good as new. If anything, it will never hurt to use the product, it just may not perform as well as a fresh bottle. If the product is watery & separated, then it has spoiled and it is time for a new one. Shelf life is 3 - 5 years, & products should not be exposed to prolonged extreme heat or cold.

    Hope this helps. Feel free to post further questions!
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    Re: Hello from the UK

    So after a few months since your post Nick, I finally had a chance to use my DAS6. I was reading some of you other replies in other threads, and took some advice you had given to someone else. Seeing as I had just bought a dual action, I bought some Meguiars pads. I opted for the MF Cutting discs (5"), Maroon 5" foam cutting pad, and Yellow 5" foam polishing pad (along with the Meguiars 5" backing plate).

    My cousin had invited me to his over the weekend. We had a plan to correct his black paint (Seat Leon Cupra R - basically a mk4 golf platform for those who don't know). He had told me since modifying it he was constantly chasing mechanical issues, and ended up neglecting the paint work over the 4-5 years. The car hadn't really had a layer of wax in that time. So as you can imagine, the paint was horrid. The bonnet (hood) looked like the lacquer had failed over 80% of the hood. The water spots looked etched on the paint.

    We foamed the car, then used Meguiars wash plus. We clayed the vehicle, and removed tar spots. It was my cousins first time claying a car, and was shocked at how dirty the car really was, proof being in what was removed with the clay.

    We washed the car again, and dried it all off.

    Being my first time using the DA, I was quite nervous and used retail Ultimate compound with the maroon foam pad. With a few passes the paint looked better, but wasn't really making much of an impact on the harder german paint. I took an educated guess and used UC on the microfiber cutting pad. I was AMAZED at how quickly these things cut, and left the surface finish looking great. We did the whole car. Then used Ultimate polish on a yellow pad. The difference of UP vs no UP was AMAZING.

    I couldn't believe how straight forward the job was. The whole system of having select types of pads, and using the consumer compound and polish was super easy for a novice such as myself. I kept the Mf pad as fresh as I could by brushing between passes.

    We covered the car in Ultimate Paste wax and admired the results. The hood which seemed 80% dead, was recovered, and I got most of hood looking glossy black. Unfortunately, the swirls were incredibly deep and closely grouped. Almost as if when he took the car for a

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    Re: Hello from the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by sss1987 View Post
    So after a few months since your post Nick, I finally had a chance to use my DAS6. I was reading some of you other replies in other threads, and took some advice you had given to someone else. Seeing as I had just bought a dual action, I bought some Meguiars pads. I opted for the MF Cutting discs (5"), Maroon 5" foam cutting pad, and Yellow 5" foam polishing pad (along with the Meguiars 5" backing plate).

    My cousin had invited me to his over the weekend. We had a plan to correct his black paint (Seat Leon Cupra R - basically a mk4 golf platform for those who don't know). He had told me since modifying it he was constantly chasing mechanical issues, and ended up neglecting the paint work over the 4-5 years. The car hadn't really had a layer of wax in that time. So as you can imagine, the paint was horrid. The bonnet (hood) looked like the lacquer had failed over 80% of the hood. The water spots looked etched on the paint.

    We foamed the car, then used Meguiars wash plus. We clayed the vehicle, and removed tar spots. It was my cousins first time claying a car, and was shocked at how dirty the car really was, proof being in what was removed with the clay.

    We washed the car again, and dried it all off.

    Being my first time using the DA, I was quite nervous and used retail Ultimate compound with the maroon foam pad. With a few passes the paint looked better, but wasn't really making much of an impact on the harder german paint. I took an educated guess and used UC on the microfiber cutting pad. I was AMAZED at how quickly these things cut, and left the surface finish looking great. We did the whole car. Then used Ultimate polish on a yellow pad. The difference of UP vs no UP was AMAZING.

    I couldn't believe how straight forward the job was. The whole system of having select types of pads, and using the consumer compound and polish was super easy for a novice such as myself. I kept the Mf pad as fresh as I could by brushing between passes.

    We covered the car in Ultimate Paste wax and admired the results. The hood which seemed 80% dead, was recovered, and I got most of hood looking glossy black. Unfortunately, the swirls were incredibly deep and closely grouped. Almost as if when he took the car for a

    Awesome!! Sorry to see your post got cut off, oh and btw:



    J/K, but not really! Post some pictures if you get a chance!

    Really great to hear your feedback. I have actually never used Ultimate Compound with our DMC5 DA Microfiber Cutting Disc, but I suppose it could work fine.
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    Re: Hello from the UK

    No, I did get cut off! How annoying! Ok the last paragraph would have read as:

    We covered the car in Ultimate Paste wax and admired the results. The hood which seemed 80% dead, was recovered, and I got most of the hood looking glossy black. Unfortunately, the swirls were incredibly deep and closely grouped. Almost as if when he took the car for a cheap wash, they had loaded their mitts with grit first. I wasn't able to get the faded bits out, but the entire hood looked better (more like 80% better and 20% faded sections). I think with the combo I had, ie UC and MF cutting pad was at its limit for really deep stuff. I experimented with speeds too, but to no avail. However I'm not sure if a wet sanding would have been a better course of action for the hood before tackling it with a DA.

    I actually think I should have gotten the D300 compound. Using the MF pads was so fast. I will try to get some pics up soon!

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