Products - Which Order ?

[The Guz]

Re: Products - Which Order ?

My rotary polisher was too heavy to handle.
I final purchased a Torqx DA polisher...however, I have not been able to find any info on which color pad to use.
There appears to be no tech support whatsoever.

Watch the videos I posted. They provide information that you are looking for.

[syswizard]

Re: Products - Which Order ?

I think I finally figured it out.....the crazy color scheme is just too much.
Yellow/Orange/Green: compound
White/Black: transition
Blue: glaze
Red: sealant

At least that's what I've gleaned from the videos.

What about the microfiber pads ?

[Old Bear]

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It sounds like your rainbow of pads are coming from multitude of pad suppliers. There is no industry standard on pad material color.

In posts above you asked about ranking aggressiveness for some Meguiar's products.
As selection of product matters to cut/finish, so does pad selection.
I'm going to suggest that we answer the question below for you. Yet keep in mind that we are talking only about one manufacturer's pads and what you find in a tool store or online website likely will not fit the answer below.

From the videos The Guz posted for you above, rank aggressiveness of the Meguiar's 5 & 6 inch foam pads.
Burgundy = cut
Yellow = polish
Black = finish

You can mix pads with product to fine tune your results, depending on how your paint responds.
An example appeared in an earlier post on this thread, where Mike Stoops was quoted on using different pads to take advantage of the flexibility of M205.

Here is an thread started by Michael Stoops (complete with good images and tables).
Meguiar's Soft Buff DA Foam Discs and Backing Plates

https://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?61956-Meguiar-s-Soft-Buff-DA-Foam-Discs-and-Backing-Plates&highlight=burgundy

It also includes some information on the microfiber pads.

[Old Bear]

Re: Products - Which Order ?

SysWizard,
Sometimes it is best to start with one system with components meant to work together. When we start learning computers, it is best to choose one system with parts menat to work together. This normally gives better results than grabbing a motherboard, memory, storage, video card etc and trying to assemble our first computer. Although our components we select might be good, there will likely be areas where we cannot take advantage of the mixture to the max level of one component.

This is a link to a video with Mike Pennington, Jason Rose and Mike Phillips discussing the Meguiar's DA Microfiber System.

[Nick Winn]

Re: Products - Which Order ?

I am a bit late to the thread here. I believe I initially did not respond because I saw you were getting good advice from our forum members, like the below:

This is my recommendation from least aggressive to more aggressive with DA.
Keep in mind that technique and pad size and material change aggressiveness too.
Do test spots (in top down) until you are getting the results you want.
If M205 finishes well, then there is no need for more aggressive compounding.

M205 (least aggressive)
Ultimate Compound
M105

I would keep the M85 for rotary use.
I would keep the scratch X 2.0 for hand use.

If a compound is needed to remove swirls/scratches, yet leaves some DA haze, use it and then follow up with M205 for a shiny finish.

My rotary polisher was too heavy to handle.
I final purchased a Torqx DA polisher...however, I have not been able to find any info on which color pad to use.
There appears to be no tech support whatsoever.

How can I help? Please advise.

[syswizard]

Re: Products - Which Order ?

Thanks Nick - I think I'm good now...with one exception:
Is it possible (or recommended) to move up to a 6", 6.5" foam or microfiber pad even though the base of the DA is set at 5" ?

[Nick Winn]

Re: Products - Which Order ?

Thanks Nick - I think I'm good now...with one exception:
Is it possible (or recommended) to move up to a 6", 6.5" foam or microfiber pad even though the base of the DA is set at 5" ?

What specific D/A Machine are you using?

[Old Bear]

Re: Products - Which Order ?

My rotary polisher was too heavy to handle.
I final purchased a Torqx DA polisher...however, I have not been able to find any info on which color pad to use.

Nick, Syswizard has a new Torqx DA.

SysWizard
On DA, the smaller the pad, the more aggressive. The work from the machine oscillations is concentrated in to a smaller area on a smaller pad.
An example in a Meguiar's DA Microfiber System

6 inch MF cutting pad, aggressive
5 inch MF cutting pad, more aggressive
3 inch MF cutting pad, even more aggressive

[syswizard]

Re: Products - Which Order ?

Thanks Bear, and that makes sense.
Any reason I cannot use Meguiar's pads on a Torqx DA ?
Note: I only got the Torqx because it was a returned item on sale.

[Exoticlean]

Re: Products - Which Order ?

So, the Ultimate Compound is M105 and Ultimate Polish is M205. When you say "for the consumer" is it just the pretty packaging or is there another difference?

And what would be the corresponding pads that you'd use with them? Not talking microfiber, but foam.

[drumdan]

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So, the Ultimate Compound is M105 and Ultimate Polish is M205. When you say "for the consumer" is it just the pretty packaging or is there another difference?

And what would be the corresponding pads that you'd use with them? Not talking microfiber, but foam.

No, there are significant differences.

For instance, Ultimate Compound has a richer lubricating matrix, which resists drying out, and producing a ton of dust. M105 is designed for short buffing cycles. Unfortunately a lot of users want to use it for extended periods which causes a lot of dust. The dusting shows just much that product is loaded with abrasives.

Ultimate Polish seems more similar to it's professional counterpart - M205. To me finish of both is incredible, but M205 seems more "pure". I love UP. Probably my favorite product of all time.

[drumdan]

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I think I finally figured it out.....the crazy color scheme is just too much.
Yellow/Orange/Green: compound
White/Black: transition
Blue: glaze
Red: sealant

At least that's what I've gleaned from the videos.

What about the microfiber pads ?

You must have the Chemical Guys pads.

I've tried all of those a lot, years ago.

I'm not a fan of the yellow orange or white, so I sold them all on eBay or the FB trading post.

Green - Compound
Blue - Polish
Black - Cleaner Wax
Red - Sealant

In the situation where I need more cut during the compounding step, I use a microfiber cutting pad.

To make it even more simple, I might use the Cleaner Wax with the Blue pad too.

I find the Yellow, Orange, and White foams are too stiff, and too smooth to work without a lot of pressure, which works against getting good pad rotation.

[syswizard]

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You must have the Chemical Guys pads.
I'm not a fan of the yellow orange or white, so I sold them all on eBay or the FB trading post.
In the situation where I need more cut during the compounding step, I use a microfiber cutting pad.

To make it even more simple, I might use the Cleaner Wax with the Blue pad too.

Pray tell...WHICH pads brand do you use ?
Which microfiber pads do you use ?
At the moment, I have none....which is stupid.

[drumdan]

Re: Products - Which Order ?

Pray tell...WHICH pads brand do you use ?
Which microfiber pads do you use ?
At the moment, I have none....which is stupid.

Usually Buff and Shine.

Foam:
Black = Cleaner Wax
Red = Sealant
Blue = Polish
Green = Compound
Orange/Black Microfiber = Compound.

I also have some Lake Country Hydrotech, Meguiar's Thin Foam discs, and microfiber system discs.