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  • M105 + M80? Hard Lexus paint, UC semi-effective

    Hello all, looking for some product advice.

    TL;DR: 18-year-old, mostly garaged hard clearcoat paint, DA with foamed wool and Ultimate Compound cleared swirls, didn't get rid of fine scratches or bird dropping etching, but left a mild haze that M80 and a white B&F polishing pad didn't clear. UC and yellow cutting pad cleared haze, some more of the fine scratches. Now out of UC, lots of M80 left. Step up to M105 (foam pad) or stick with UC and accept etching? M80 likely to clear any haze M105 + yellow/orange pad leave?
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    Dealing with a 2001 Japan-built Lexus IS in Spectra Blue Mica (dark metallic). Purchased with 150,000 kilometres (~95,000 miles) and far as I can tell the prior owner never polished the paint. Judging by the clumps of wax left in crevices, sealants were probably pretty haphazard as well.

    Paint is covered in swirls, scratches -- some of which can be felt with a fingernail -- various RIDS, and one bird dropping etching.

    Equipment includes a PC DA, Lake Country 5.5" purple foamed synthetic wool, 5.5" Buff & Shine Euro yellow cutting, orange medium cut and white polish foam pads, and a Meguiar's W9006 finishing pad. Underground parking garage, so widely spaced fluorescents for lighting.

    After claying, I tried UC on the orange at speed 5 and, well, fairly certain that the car sniggered after four slow passes at 15 pounds or more of pressure. Swirls unaffected.

    Stepped it up to UC on the purple foamed wool at 5, then 5.5 to ensure the pad kept spinning. Produced a LOT of dust (used up a towel just clearing dust) and got rid of the swirl marks and some of the scratches. Still plenty that I can either barely feel with a fingernail or not at all. Got rid of a batch of overspray from prior owner's dent repairs, but did nothing to deeper scratches.

    No direct sun (smoke from forest fires) or adequate handheld light to reveal the finer scratches remaining. So, followed the UC+wool with M80+white (minimum 2x2 passes at speed 4 until transparent), just to give the 18-year-old paint the polishing oils.

    Finally got a sunny day to see the fine scratches and decided to try UC + yellow at speed 5.5, hoping it would work better than the foamed wool. Cleared more, but not all, of the fine scratches and despite concentrated effort made no progress on the etching. Only now, by comparing, could I notice a haze on the areas that haven't been hit with the UC+yellow.

    I'm now out of UC, so am debating how to proceed. Keep in mind I'm in Canada so options are either limited, or attached to shipping that costs more than the products (sometimes several times more). I can't find most Mirror Glaze chemicals locally, or Detailer line pretty much at all.

    More UC and accept the etching and fine scratches? Step up to M105? I know it's roughly rated at twice the cutting power of UC, all else being equal. Follow the M105 with M80 (have half a 32-ounce bottle left)? I understand M80 and M205 have the same rated cut, albeit DAT/SMAT variants. If M105 leaves a haze, would M80 be able to clear it, using a more aggressive pad than the white?

    I know nobody will be able to say for certain about my car's particular paint, but any input is welcome

    Thank you
    "The reason men call cars 'she' is so they have one female they can claim to understand"

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    Re: M105 + M80? Hard Lexus paint, UC semi-effective

    Any chance there is a Lordco near by that you can ask about availability.
    Possibly they have a "Ship to Store" feature.

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    • #3
      Re: M105 + M80? Hard Lexus paint, UC semi-effective

      Meguiar's Canada dealer look up by postal code.

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      • #4
        Re: M105 + M80? Hard Lexus paint, UC semi-effective

        How are you prepping / reloading your pad?

        I've never had good luck with excessive pressure. I just use enough to keep the pad in contact with the paint. I describe it as "light but firm".

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        • #5
          Re: M105 + M80? Hard Lexus paint, UC semi-effective

          You can see some of my comments on posts 9 & 11 here: https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ter-cable.html

          As far as cut, M105 is at a 12. I would place UC around 10.

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          • #6
            Re: M105 + M80? Hard Lexus paint, UC semi-effective

            Here is an example of the amount of pressure I use: https://youtu.be/uqJ2s2HZaAo

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            • #7
              Re: M105 + M80? Hard Lexus paint, UC semi-effective

              Originally posted by Old Bear View Post
              Any chance there is a Lordco near by that you can ask about availability.
              Possibly they have a "Ship to Store" feature.
              Lots of Lordcos nearby, but their selection tends to be, erm, limited. Doesn't help that much of it is overpriced unless you have a commercial account. I'll swing by the largest one in my area, see if anything has changed. I usually get my local supplies from the NAPA.

              Otherwise Meguiar's is mostly available through general retailers: Canadian Tire, Walmart, etc. Closest online seller with a good selection is in the next province, and free shipping doesn't kick in until $75.
              "The reason men call cars 'she' is so they have one female they can claim to understand"

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              • #8
                Re: M105 + M80? Hard Lexus paint, UC semi-effective

                Originally posted by drumdan View Post
                How are you prepping / reloading your pad?

                I've never had good luck with excessive pressure. I just use enough to keep the pad in contact with the paint. I describe it as "light but firm".
                Pad prep is one of the usual methods, an X on the pad, dab it around a bit on the paint, slow speed setting on a first pass to spread it around and saturate the pad. Then three drops per section, five if I just cleaned the pad. Never working dry, the paint is always wet and easy to wipe clean.

                Pressure starts firm, about 15 pounds as Mike/Nick recommend, and lightening up as necessary to keep the pad rotating on uneven surfaces, or as I complete a section and want to burnish rather than correct.
                "The reason men call cars 'she' is so they have one female they can claim to understand"

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                • #9
                  Re: M105 + M80? Hard Lexus paint, UC semi-effective

                  Hi Galcobar,

                  Happy to see a member who joined in 2004 still utilizing MOL.

                  If you are looking to increase your cut, IMO I feel that your pad is just as important as your liquid. One of our DMC5 D/A Microfiber Cutting Discs would be my recommendation. I would recommend using this with our M100 Pro Speed Compound. This combination has become an absolute go to for when we are trying to blow through defects, whether an abundance of defects and/or dealing with hard paint. Understand this combination is pretty aggressive, but is often needed when persons are in your situation. It's up to you regarding how aggressive you want to get. If you are concerned about getting too aggressive on the older paint. Stick with a compound on your foam cutting or foamed wool pad.

                  M205 Ultra Finishing Polish would be a night & day difference in performance compared to M80 Speed Glaze in gloss enhancing ability, and the ability to remove D/A Haze.

                  I understand it's difficult to source certain products in your area. Let me check with our Solutions Hub in the morning & see if they have any recommendations.

                  Hope this helps.

                  Nick
                  Nick Winn
                  Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Online Forum Administrator
                  Meguiar's Inc.
                  Irvine, CA
                  nawinn@meguiars.com

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                  • #10
                    Re: M105 + M80? Hard Lexus paint, UC semi-effective

                    Originally posted by Nick Winn View Post
                    ...
                    One of our DMC5 D/A Microfiber Cutting Discs would be my recommendation. I would recommend using this with our M100 Pro Speed Compound. This combination has become an absolute go to for when we are trying to blow through defects, whether an abundance of defects and/or dealing with hard paint.
                    ...
                    M205 Ultra Finishing Polish would be a night & day difference in performance compared to M80 Speed Glaze in gloss enhancing ability, and the ability to remove D/A Haze.

                    I understand it's difficult to source certain products in your area. Let me check with our Solutions Hub in the morning & see if they have any recommendations.
                    Thank you Nick, the help is much appreciated.

                    I take it the 2012 product guidance that M100 isn't designed for DA microfibre use is defunct. I'd read the introduction post back then, so hadn't considered it as a DA option now (I lurk every spring to see what's new).

                    Looking around online, I'm not sure why but the Canadian prices are odd. A 32-oz bottle of M100 costs C$44 at the best I can find; M105 is C$46, despite M100 being two-thirds the price of M105 in the US. Similarly the DMC5 is priced a third higher than explained by the exchange rate -- and is on a different site, so separate shipping charges.

                    I'll check a couple of local PBE shops that don't have a web store, but I'm not hopeful.
                    "The reason men call cars 'she' is so they have one female they can claim to understand"

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                    • #11
                      Re: M105 + M80? Hard Lexus paint, UC semi-effective

                      Just an idea...how close are you to the border? Close enough to jump across to Bellingham? Should be able to score at a PBE outlet there.

                      Bill

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                      • #12
                        Re: M105 + M80? Hard Lexus paint, UC semi-effective

                        I have used Meguiar's M100 Pro Speed Compound with Microfiber Cutting Disk in 5 inch and 3 inch with DA MT300.
                        I have also seen Mike Stoops and Nick Winn use it with success on a couple cars.
                        These had rather hard clear coat, with moderately deep scratches. Paint did need a follow up of a polish step (M205 or Ultimate Polish) to take some of the haze out after the compounding.

                        I'm one of the very, very few folks allergic to D300, so M100 is my choice (of first test section) for compounding with microfiber.

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                        • #13
                          Re: M105 + M80? Hard Lexus paint, UC semi-effective

                          Originally posted by Old Bear View Post
                          I have used Meguiar's M100 Pro Speed Compound with Microfiber Cutting Disk in 5 inch and 3 inch with DA MT300.
                          I have also seen Mike Stoops and Nick Winn use it with success on a couple cars.
                          These had rather hard clear coat, with moderately deep scratches. Paint did need a follow up of a polish step (M205 or Ultimate Polish) to take some of the haze out after the compounding.

                          I'm one of the very, very few folks allergic to D300, so M100 is my choice (of first test section) for compounding with microfiber.
                          M100 is a great compound. I also reach for it more than D300. D300 is great, but M100 is better for me.

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                          • #14
                            Re: M105 + M80? Hard Lexus paint, UC semi-effective

                            Originally posted by BillE View Post
                            Just an idea...how close are you to the border? Close enough to jump across to Bellingham? Should be able to score at a PBE outlet there.

                            Bill
                            Close enough to make the trip, far enough that I'd want to confirm inventory before going, especially given how slow the border has become since US CBP was given an aggressive mandate.

                            Any suggestions for Blaine or Bellingham PBE stores? The Meguiar's online listings don't discriminate between retailers and commercial suppliers.
                            "The reason men call cars 'she' is so they have one female they can claim to understand"

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                            • #15
                              Re: M105 + M80? Hard Lexus paint, UC semi-effective

                              So, no editing allowed...

                              Didn't realize Meguiar's had removed the dealer locator from meguiars.com, so I don't even have that option. Meguiars.ca locator only yields results if you input the store name; a postal code produces a spinning wheel.
                              "The reason men call cars 'she' is so they have one female they can claim to understand"

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