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    Re: Meguiar's Hybrid Ceramic Wax

    I used it on my Mazda CX-5. Brand new, paint correction done. It sits outside 24/7, uncovered.
    After about 5 weeks, the top surfaces were pretty flat after washing (Meguairs gold class soap). The sides were repelling water like crazy, though.

    I've also applied it to my garaged Camaro. I think it will last longer on that one. Its been about 3 weeks so far.

    What's everyone getting for longevity for uncovered cars?

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    I know this is off-label, but I did a boo-boo when I applied WAY too much HCW (two sprays per foot of 5" wide beam) on my powdercoated balcony handrails. Now there's a thick, dull, HARD haze on the top surfaces where I sprayed the product. It even sparkles a bit - I can only guess these are the SIO2 crystals suspended in the wax.

    Problem now is I can't get it off! I guess that's good or bad news depending on how you look at it.

    I've tried rubbing the HCW off with super clean degreaser, neat ethanol, cleaning vingegar, straight bleach and even a 50/50 IPA solution. The only chemical that seems to put a dent in it is the IPA, but only after 5 mins dwell time and a heck of a lot of scrubbing with a magic eraser sponge. Judging by the reduction in haze I'm only about halfway through the coating after 20 minutes of elbow grease.

    Before anyone asks, I'm fairly certain it's the HCW that I'm fighting with. There's a portion of the handrail that I accidentally hit with Super Clean while the HCW was still wet; perfect gloss and water beading there, but nowhere else. I can even see the wipe marks right around where I wiped off the degreaser in a panic - the same place the haze begins.

    This is in no way a complaint, I tend to experiment with detailing chems at home for practice. I just would really appreciate some advice on just what chemical will dissolve HCW?

    ps: I'll post a picture later if anyone wants to see.

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    Re: Meguiar's Hybrid Ceramic Wax

    Quote Originally Posted by kaisergrendel View Post
    I know this is off-label, but I did a boo-boo when I applied WAY too much HCW (two sprays per foot of 5" wide beam) on my powdercoated balcony handrails. Now there's a thick, dull, HARD haze on the top surfaces where I sprayed the product. It even sparkles a bit - I can only guess these are the SIO2 crystals suspended in the wax.

    Problem now is I can't get it off! I guess that's good or bad news depending on how you look at it.

    I've tried rubbing the HCW off with super clean degreaser, neat ethanol, cleaning vingegar, straight bleach and even a 50/50 IPA solution. The only chemical that seems to put a dent in it is the IPA, but only after 5 mins dwell time and a heck of a lot of scrubbing with a magic eraser sponge. Judging by the reduction in haze I'm only about halfway through the coating after 20 minutes of elbow grease.

    Before anyone asks, I'm fairly certain it's the HCW that I'm fighting with. There's a portion of the handrail that I accidentally hit with Super Clean while the HCW was still wet; perfect gloss and water beading there, but nowhere else. I can even see the wipe marks right around where I wiped off the degreaser in a panic - the same place the haze begins.

    This is in no way a complaint, I tend to experiment with detailing chems at home for practice. I just would really appreciate some advice on just what chemical will dissolve HCW?

    ps: I'll post a picture later if anyone wants to see.
    Have you tried any paintprep products? Something like Duplicolor? Not sure what is available in your market though. I think Superclean will eventually go thru it but it may take multiple applications. Or any other high PH Degreaser available in your market.

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    Re: Meguiar's Hybrid Ceramic Wax

    "petroleum distillates"

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    Quote Originally Posted by 510GUY View Post
    "petroleum distillates"
    Quick question. Does this contain "petroleum distillates"?

    I am asking this question because I have a two-layer laminated wrap on my car. The first layer is KPMF Satin Car Wrap Film laminated to a second layer of 3M 8518 Overlaminate Gloss to add a layer of gloss and protection.

    A friend of mine who has Expel on his car says that you should never put a product containing "petroleum distillates" (e.g. Meguiar's Cleaner Wax, Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid Wax - Recommended by the Meguiar's Help Line for a Wrap) on a wrapped surface or at least Expel. He says that if you put "petroleum distillates" on a wrapped surface it will result in the wrap or at least Expel "yellowing" over time.

    Since I just spent what is a lot of money for me to have this done to my vehicle to have a color I like and a protected surface, I don't want to have the surface "yellowing" over time. My friend who does use Meguiar's products (M205 & M26) for his painted surfaces, uses CarPro Reload (an SI02 product like HCW) after washing and for daily care a California Duster and Ultimate Quick Detailer (Whatever happened to M135? - Outsold by D115?).

    I am a Meguiar's guy and would prefer to use your product rather than a different brand. To me HCW is an SI02 product and I could use it instead of the CarPro Reload the detail shop located with the company who wrapped my car recommend. But if is "contains petroleum distillates" than I guess I would not be able to use HCW.

    Thank you for answering this question. I am hoping that it will mean I can use HCW instead of the different company's product.

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    Re: Meguiar's Hybrid Ceramic Wax

    Quote Originally Posted by 510GUY View Post
    Quick question. Does this contain "petroleum distillates"?

    I am asking this question because I have a two-layer laminated wrap on my car. The first layer is KPMF Satin Car Wrap Film laminated to a second layer of 3M 8518 Overlaminate Gloss to add a layer of gloss and protection.

    A friend of mine who has Expel on his car says that you should never put a product containing "petroleum distillates" (e.g. Meguiar's Cleaner Wax, Meguiar's Ultimate Liquid Wax - Recommended by the Meguiar's Help Line for a Wrap) on a wrapped surface or at least Expel. He says that if you put "petroleum distillates" on a wrapped surface it will result in the wrap or at least Expel "yellowing" over time.

    Since I just spent what is a lot of money for me to have this done to my vehicle to have a color I like and a protected surface, I don't want to have the surface "yellowing" over time. My friend who does use Meguiar's products (M205 & M26) for his painted surfaces, uses CarPro Reload (an SI02 product like HCW) after washing and for daily care a California Duster and Ultimate Quick Detailer (Whatever happened to M135? - Outsold by D115?).

    I am a Meguiar's guy and would prefer to use your product rather than a different brand. To me HCW is an SI02 product and I could use it instead of the CarPro Reload the detail shop located with the company who wrapped my car recommend. But if is "contains petroleum distillates" than I guess I would not be able to use HCW.

    Thank you for answering this question. I am hoping that it will mean I can use HCW instead of the different company's product.
    I am not seeing anything about Petroleum Distillates for our G190526 Hybrid Ceramic Wax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Winn View Post
    Nice initial review. Thanks for sharing.

    1 - HCW will not stain trim, provided you don't allow it to dry or something.
    2 - Yes, it is recommended to wash your hands after use.
    3 - Technically Hybrid Ceramic Wax has more durability. We recommend for best results to use Hybrid Ceramic Wax in addition to your favorite liquid or paste wax/sealant, like Ultimate Liquid Wax. HCW will not give the gloss that a Ultimate Liquid Wax can. It mainly focuses on protection. Although, if one would like, they can use HCW as their main source of protection, but again, for best results, we recommend using it in addition to standard liquid/paste base coat.

    Nick
    Reposting since I got timed out - not good!! I will try and remember what I just typed.

    First let me thank Car Potential for his post. That along with the explanations by Mike and you have really help me understand the process.

    These should be my last questions for awhile. I have read all the HCW threads and watched all the videos.

    I will use this process to clean and protect the two layer (KPMF Satin Wrap Film toped by 3M 8515 Gloss Overlaminate) wrap on my 2019 Miata.

    1. I was going to use my NXT car wash that sheets off and dries really nicely. But should I use D111 Detailer Shampoo Plus with it's
    polymer conditioning agents to boost gloss that Car Potential uses and you really like? Will this be like using Ultimate Wash and
    Wax?

    2. Based on your responses to my "petroleum distillate" questions, the use of most Meguiar's waxes or wax like products is out. Are
    M21, M20 or M305 an option for a standard base wax layer for gloss as you recommend or do they also have petroleum distillates
    as well. As you know my friend who has Xpel on his 2016 Miata says not to use anything with petroleum distillates, because it will
    cause the wrap or at least Xpel to "yellow" over time.
    a. Based on Car Potential's post, it appears that the D111 Detailer Shampoo Plus provides "a shine that is great as well", so
    maybe I don't need a base "wax" layer if I use D111 to wash the car before using HCW. Remember I do have that the gloss
    overlaminate.

    3. My windshield has painted panels around it which have rubber seals on each side. In your response 1 above you say that HCW will
    not stain as long as the HCW is not allowed to dry. Since I will be drying it off with my Meguiar's Water Magnet towel after rinsing
    this area off it doesn't appear that I would have any problems with staining on the rubber seals. Should I put some blue painter's
    tape on the rubber seals before spraying the painted panels around my windshield or should I be fine without doing that?

    4. When spraying HCW on the painted panels around the windshield, should I cover the convertible fabric top with a towel to reduce
    the amount of "overspray" that might get on it? Since I will be drying the area and my fabric roof off with my Meguiar's Water
    Magnet towel after rinsing this area do I have to worry about doing this?

    5. When I wash my car I do it in 3 sections: Center (Doors and Top), Front (Hood, Front Fenders and Front Bumper) and Rear (Trunk
    Lid, Rear Fenders and Rear Bumper). I will follow Mike's and your recommendations to mist / spray on the minimal amount
    (e.g. 3 Mists / Spray's for the Hood, 2 Mists / Spray's for the each fender and the bumper - the Read Back / Bumper has a lot
    of surface area to I might use 3 Mists / Sprays). Following the same process I follow with Quick Wax, UWWA or D115 - Detailer
    Rinse Free Express Wash & Wax, I will rinse the section, then Mist / Spray the hood and wipe it off with my Meguiar's Water
    Magnet MF towel, Mist / Spray the a fender and wipe it off with my Meguiar's Water Magnet MF towel, Mist / Spray the other
    fender and wipe it off with my Meguiar's Water Magnet MF towel, then Mist / Spray the front bumper and wipe it off with my
    Meguiar's Water Magnet MF towel. Though I apply the rinse water so that it sheets off, there it usually enough on the surface
    that drying is still required. If I notice is dry, I will wet it the panel down again before misting / spraying the HCW on.

    Nick thank you for answering my questions. This will help me with my initial washing and HCW application on my Miata.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chop View Post
    Have you tried any paintprep products? Something like Duplicolor? Not sure what is available in your market though. I think Superclean will eventually go thru it but it may take multiple applications. Or any other high PH Degreaser available in your market.
    Thanks Chop, I tried looking for prep washes but haven't had luck yet. Will continue looking next weekend.

    I have however tried more applications of Superclean (left this overnight then misted more Superclean over the residue for ULTRAclean), multiple applications with agitation of IPA and other petroleum distillates like kerosene and mineral turpentine like 510guy seemed to be suggesting. Even tried a solution of hydrogen peroxide and hot water. The mechanical grinding with some ragged microfibres and melamine sponges seems to shave off tiny amounts as I get the "sparkles" on my glove after awhile, but none of the chems I've tried seem to have any solvent effect on the HCW. I'm beginning to wonder if I've stumbled upon a way to turn HCW into an actual ceramic coating...

    If HCW is even a fraction as tough as it is on my handrail, I'm sold.

    Any other ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 510GUY View Post
    Reposting since I got timed out - not good!! I will try and remember what I just typed.

    First let me thank Car Potential for his post. That along with the explanations by Mike and you have really help me understand the process.

    These should be my last questions for awhile. I have read all the HCW threads and watched all the videos.

    I will use this process to clean and protect the two layer (KPMF Satin Wrap Film toped by 3M 8515 Gloss Overlaminate) wrap on my 2019 Miata.

    1. I was going to use my NXT car wash that sheets off and dries really nicely. But should I use D111 Detailer Shampoo Plus with it's
    polymer conditioning agents to boost gloss that Car Potential uses and you really like? Will this be like using Ultimate Wash and
    Wax?

    2. Based on your responses to my "petroleum distillate" questions, the use of most Meguiar's waxes or wax like products is out. Are
    M21, M20 or M305 an option for a standard base wax layer for gloss as you recommend or do they also have petroleum distillates
    as well. As you know my friend who has Xpel on his 2016 Miata says not to use anything with petroleum distillates, because it will
    cause the wrap or at least Xpel to "yellow" over time.
    a. Based on Car Potential's post, it appears that the D111 Detailer Shampoo Plus provides "a shine that is great as well", so
    maybe I don't need a base "wax" layer if I use D111 to wash the car before using HCW. Remember I do have that the gloss
    overlaminate.

    3. My windshield has painted panels around it which have rubber seals on each side. In your response 1 above you say that HCW will
    not stain as long as the HCW is not allowed to dry. Since I will be drying it off with my Meguiar's Water Magnet towel after rinsing
    this area off it doesn't appear that I would have any problems with staining on the rubber seals. Should I put some blue painter's
    tape on the rubber seals before spraying the painted panels around my windshield or should I be fine without doing that?

    4. When spraying HCW on the painted panels around the windshield, should I cover the convertible fabric top with a towel to reduce
    the amount of "overspray" that might get on it? Since I will be drying the area and my fabric roof off with my Meguiar's Water
    Magnet towel after rinsing this area do I have to worry about doing this?

    5. When I wash my car I do it in 3 sections: Center (Doors and Top), Front (Hood, Front Fenders and Front Bumper) and Rear (Trunk
    Lid, Rear Fenders and Rear Bumper). I will follow Mike's and your recommendations to mist / spray on the minimal amount
    (e.g. 3 Mists / Spray's for the Hood, 2 Mists / Spray's for the each fender and the bumper - the Read Back / Bumper has a lot
    of surface area to I might use 3 Mists / Sprays). Following the same process I follow with Quick Wax, UWWA or D115 - Detailer
    Rinse Free Express Wash & Wax, I will rinse the section, then Mist / Spray the hood and wipe it off with my Meguiar's Water
    Magnet MF towel, Mist / Spray the a fender and wipe it off with my Meguiar's Water Magnet MF towel, Mist / Spray the other
    fender and wipe it off with my Meguiar's Water Magnet MF towel, then Mist / Spray the front bumper and wipe it off with my
    Meguiar's Water Magnet MF towel. Though I apply the rinse water so that it sheets off, there it usually enough on the surface
    that drying is still required. If I notice is dry, I will wet it the panel down again before misting / spraying the HCW on.

    Nick thank you for answering my questions. This will help me with my initial washing and HCW application on my Miata.
    Would a better process for the Painted Panels around my windshield (#3 above) be to lightly mist some onto the MF I've been using to dry the hood and fender which has become damp as a result of this and then apply HCW to the still wet painted panels with the lightly misted microfiber, so I can minimize the amount of over spray that could get on the rubber seals around the Windshield and on the back where the convertible fabric top seats. I would then use the same dampened towel to remove the water from the painted panels around the windshield.

    Thanks for answering my question.

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    Re: Meguiar's Hybrid Ceramic Wax

    Applying HCW to a very wet car, seems to be a good way to waste product.

    Diluting HCW, and applying it to a dried car, seems better, just imho.

    I diluted 1:4 with great results. Much better than using it undiluted as a drying aid. I'm going to try 1:7 or 1:8 next.
    I will not use HCW as a drying aid.

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