Meguiar's M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant

[xilex]

Re: Meguiar's M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant

Can a consumer use this instead of Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax? I read through both threads. The Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax you said apply to a panel, then wipe after 5 minutes, whereas this one you apply to entire vehicle. But Ceramic Sealant is more durable, which is why I would have preference for the sealant product. I guess question is how to choose which one as a regular consumer if I were doing my entire car? Thanks.

[snozan]

Re: Meguiar's M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant

Can a consumer use this instead of Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax? I read through both threads. The Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax you said apply to a panel, then wipe after 5 minutes, whereas this one you apply to entire vehicle. But Ceramic Sealant is more durable, which is why I would have preference for the sealant product. I guess question is how to choose which one as a regular consumer if I were doing my entire car? Thanks.

Exactly my thought aswell. To me the M27 seems like a refiend version of ultimate liquid wax (entire car, sun etc).

[symmetrical]

Re: Meguiar's M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant

Can a consumer use this instead of Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax? I read through both threads. The Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax you said apply to a panel, then wipe after 5 minutes, whereas this one you apply to entire vehicle. But Ceramic Sealant is more durable, which is why I would have preference for the sealant product. I guess question is how to choose which one as a regular consumer if I were doing my entire car? Thanks.

If it's readily available to order through regular retailers, I don't see why not.

I also don't get why one would spend the money for HCLW when you can get this instead. More durable, seems easier to apply since you can do the whole car, and apparently has no down sides in comparison.

I guess the only real difference is you can walk into a Wal-mart and buy HCLW.

[Nick Winn]

Re: Meguiar's M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant

Can a consumer use this instead of Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax? I read through both threads. The Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax you said apply to a panel, then wipe after 5 minutes, whereas this one you apply to entire vehicle. But Ceramic Sealant is more durable, which is why I would have preference for the sealant product. I guess question is how to choose which one as a regular consumer if I were doing my entire car? Thanks.

Exactly my thought aswell. To me the M27 seems like a refiend version of ultimate liquid wax (entire car, sun etc).

If it's readily available to order through regular retailers, I don't see why not.

I also don't get why one would spend the money for HCLW when you can get this instead. More durable, seems easier to apply since you can do the whole car, and apparently has no down sides in comparison.

I guess the only real difference is you can walk into a Wal-mart and buy HCLW.

So a few thoughts comparing our new Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax VS. our new M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant. Both have same SiO2 backbone, but they are different products in the other ways they were built, as mentioned, the application, HCLW panel by panel, M27 requires minimum of 2 - 5 minutes prior to removal but can also be applied to whole vehicle, where Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax you want to wipe off panel by panel. M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant was built with a "gloss package" into the formula as well, where HCLW focuses mainly on advanced SiO2 technology in protection & ease of application. Some other things to consider, M2716 MSRP is $29.99 USD. HCLW 16 oz MSRP is $22.99 USD.

The other big factor to keep in mind is that our PRO product distribution is MUCH less when it comes to being able to buy the product in a brick & mortar location.

Both will be sold on-line as usual, so if you shop on-line for car care products, then to answer your question, yes, a consumer can certainly buy & apply M27. However, it does come at a higher price & not as readily available.

Hope this helps when trying to decide between the two.

[symmetrical]

Re: Meguiar's M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant

So a few thoughts comparing our new Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax VS. our new M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant. Both have same SiO2 backbone, but they are different products in the other ways they were built, as mentioned, the application, HCLW panel by panel, M27 requires minimum of 2 - 5 minutes prior to removal but can also be applied to whole vehicle, where Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax you want to wipe off panel by panel. M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant was built with a "gloss package" into the formula as well, where HCLW focuses mainly on advanced SiO2 technology in protection & ease of application. Some other things to consider, M2716 MSRP is $29.99 USD. HCLW 16 oz MSRP is $22.99 USD.

The other big factor to keep in mind is that our PRO product distribution is MUCH less when it comes to being able to buy the product in a brick & mortar location.

Both will be sold on-line as usual, so if you shop on-line for car care products, then to answer your question, yes, a consumer can certainly buy & apply M27. However, it does come at a higher price & not as readily available.

Hope this helps when trying to decide between the two.

Thanks Nick, that does clarify it a bit. I almost want to say though, it sounds like nobody can go wrong with either one. (Knowing my crazy self I'm going to end up with both once they go on sale.) I'm almost done with my blue bottle of HCW and personally I really do not like the spray and rinse application method. I must be too old school for that process, so I was ecstatic to see these products announced.

[Murr1525]

Re: Meguiar's M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant

Just so I understand....

So is that same durability for both + gloss for M27, or HCW is more durable and M27 more gloss?

[snozan]

Re: Meguiar's M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant

Just so I understand....

So is that same durability for both + gloss for M27, or HCW is more durable and M27 more gloss?

I read about them both and my conclusion is that M27 is more like ULW then HCLW - i honestly cant see why i should chose HCLW over M27. Not if you read about them both

[Nick Winn]

Re: Meguiar's M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant

Just so I understand....

So is that same durability for both + gloss for M27, or HCW is more durable and M27 more gloss?

M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant is more durable than Hybrid Ceramic Liquid Wax plus M27 has more gloss.

[snozan]

Re: Meguiar's M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant

However, it does come at a higher price

We already pay like it would be gold for Meguiars products in Sweden. But hey they changed the price for HCW to $25,85 from $31.06

So the retail price for M27 will be around $29,99 for a product that last longer will be absolutly no problem consider we pay $45,61 for a bottle of ULW

Conslusion, a high price dosent scare me. We're kinda used to pay for Meguiars products =)

[2018 z71]

Re: Meguiar's M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant

Nick

Can M27 be diluted with water to use as a maintenance topper / booster for itself? If so, will diluting affect the gloss level of M27 and what would be a good dilution ratio?

I saw there are other new maintenance products, like M799, but if M27 can be diluted to use as a booster, that would be my preferred choice.

[2018 z71]

Re: Meguiar's M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant

Nick

Can M27 be diluted with water to use as a maintenance topper / booster for itself? If so, will diluting affect the gloss level of M27 and what would be a good dilution ratio?

I saw there are other new maintenance products, like M799, but if M27 can be diluted to use as a booster, that would be my preferred choice.

I rewatched the the video and saw M27 was paste. Was thinking it was a liquid from watching the video the first time. No reply needed.

[Nick Winn]

Re: Meguiar's M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant

Nick

Can M27 be diluted with water to use as a maintenance topper / booster for itself? If so, will diluting affect the gloss level of M27 and what would be a good dilution ratio?

I saw there are other new maintenance products, like M799, but if M27 can be diluted to use as a booster, that would be my preferred choice.

I rewatched the the video and saw M27 was paste. Was thinking it was a liquid from watching the video the first time. No reply needed.

We would not categorize M27 as a paste, it is a "liquid" but it is not a "spray-able liquid." I suppose it is a more "gel or lotion" type liquid. Thanks.

[fordf150]

Re: Meguiar's M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant

I'm curious as to how the marketing claims of durability are determined for your LSP products.

The reason I ask is first we had Paint Protect 365 which claims 365 days worth of durability. Next we had Ulitimate Fast Finish 100 car wash durability and protects for a full year. I know claims depend much on how the paint is prepped and cared for thereafter, i get that.

So now jump to 2020 and now we have a true SiO2 coating which claims 1 year protection and a SiO2 sealant with claims according to Nick of at least 6 months worth of protection. I guess I would have expected greater durability out of the new SiO2 products then the consumer products mentioned above?

Don't get me wrong as I have both Paint Protect 365 and ULT Fast Finish and think they do a admirable job and are easy to apply. My thinking is if I'm going to spend more money on something with SiO2 in it, hopefully gaining more durability, I would have expected something that claims durability greater than what I have already?

Again, this wasn't meant to slam the new SiO2 products but rather the confusing durability claims.

[The Guz]

Re: Meguiar's M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant

I'm curious as to how the marketing claims of durability are determined for your LSP products.

The reason I ask is first we had Paint Protect 365 which claims 365 days worth of durability. Next we had Ulitimate Fast Finish 100 car wash durability and protects for a full year. I know claims depend much on how the paint is prepped and cared for thereafter, i get that.

So now jump to 2020 and now we have a true SiO2 coating which claims 1 year protection and a SiO2 sealant with claims according to Nick of at least 6 months worth of protection. I guess I would have expected greater durability out of the new SiO2 products then the consumer products mentioned above?

Don't get me wrong as I have both Paint Protect 365 and ULT Fast Finish and think they do a admirable job and are easy to apply. My thinking is if I'm going to spend more money on something with SiO2 in it, hopefully gaining more durability, I would have expected something that claims durability greater than what I have already?

Again, this wasn't meant to slam the new SiO2 products but rather the confusing durability claims.

There are many factors that affect durability of any product. An SiO2 product or SiO2 infused product will give a better gloss, have a better self cleaning affect and better chemical resistance than a synthetic/polymer product in most cases.

[HCAD]

Re: Meguiar's M27 PRO Hybrid Ceramic Sealant

I'm curious as to how the marketing claims of durability are determined for your LSP products.

There are many factors that affect durability of any product. An SiO2 product or SiO2 infused product will give a better gloss, have a better self cleaning affect and better chemical resistance than a synthetic/polymer product in most cases.

Guz, sounds like marketing for value, not durability. And with that I add, "better gloss" and "better chemical resistance" are subjective in my opinion. I agree whole heartedly on the increased "self cleaning" or ease of cleaning. That's convincing the first time you wash a coated vehicle. But what about "durability"? Again in my opinion, it's just a sales and marketing tool. No two companies will likely use the same process to determine longevity. So where's the accuracy in comparisons? I'd offer that there really isn't one. A new start up company can shoot out wild claims that their coating will last 5 years and the proof in that statement may or may not ever be challenged. I personally like the conservative estimates that Meguiar's uses. That new start up company claiming outlandish longevity from their coating likely will not, no, almost absolutely, will never see the 100 year mark in business that Meguiar's can boast. So, enjoy the value of a SiO2 coating, and take the durability as a bonus.